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To: RoosterRedux
But for the grace of God, that could have been you or me in that burning car, full of cocaine and who knows what else. And don't say you would never do such a thing. There are plenty of things that might have driven you (and me) to such. That's what I mean about judging her (from our comfy sofas). Life can be hell and drive a man or woman to all sorts of extremes. It is naive to say we would not respond just as she did if our lives had been along more hellish paths.

Just for the record: I am NOT attacking you or saying that your theological position, ultimately (whatever it might be - you've been giving hints up till now), is false or that you are a "bad" person. For the record: You fired the first volley by rebuking me for being judgemental.

From what little has been said so far in this thread (I am guessing that, conservatively, we'd first need hours to properly establish our axioms, define our terms, etc. before getting to the "meat"), I would venture to say that you're perhaps veering into deterministic / Calvinistic territory - i.e., had you or I been born with different parents, in a different socio-economic level, etc., we might have been street drug dealers or purveyors of kiddie porn.

In an extremely rarified philosophical discussion among effete 19th-century Viennese coffeehouse intellectuals, such a thesis might be legitimately considered - but amongst 21-century American conservatives, even deeply religious ones, it's a little too far removed from practical reality. If carried too far, it leads to moral relativism, to excusing any behavior. It leads to sophistry and semantics.

If Jesus meant that we might injure our own souls by not only sitting in judgement over others, but even smugly condemning them, taking pleasure in their misfortune, or hating them (maybe because our own child had been victimized, e.g., by a scuzz-ball paedophile), and if that is what you were implying with your initial remark, I would concede that there was much wisdom in your statement.

However, on a superficial level, when I read about a Hollywood Lesbian drug user - who was undoubtedly "woke," and made no bones about castigating Conservative Americans - crashing into and setting fire to a private residence, I think that I offend no one, nor do not injure my own soul when I state that her life was "messed up" and that the flawed lifestyle was apparently "generational" (my words).

I was not gloating. I was merely observing that she had a deeply flawed biography (reaching back to her parents).

I think that my comment was not especially self-righteous / self-congratulatory in tone, and I think that it was appropriate for a thread on FR about a Hollywood Lesbian drug-using celebrity who had wantonly endangered others and destroyed property.

Regards,

91 posted on 08/12/2022 8:07:53 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: alexander_busek

Yes. And that was my point regarding prayer warriors.
If she had them. That extra prayer making a difference.

When she was first seen out of the smoke car, she may have said the sinners prayer right then.

Someone somewhere may have interceded just enough for other lives to be spared.
Someone did not cross a street that day.
Someone was not with her in the passenger seat
No family or hitchhikers in the rear seats. etc.

Faith and prayer. Beyond deism.


92 posted on 08/12/2022 8:29:49 AM PDT by Varsity Flight ( "War by the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18. Nazarite prayer warriors)
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