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To: GranTorino
The South shot at a unarmed ship that was attempting to supply Sumter.

Well this is incorrect. Assuming you are referring to the "Star of the West", that ship was not unarmed. It was loaded with Union troops intending to be sneaked into Fort Sumter. It was also carrying munitions.

President Buchanan initially wanted to send the Brooklyn loaded with troops to Sumter, but then he thought this would provoke a war, so he ordered the USS Brooklyn to offload the troops onto the Star of the West and sneak them into the fort secretly.

As the troops were being transferred from the Brooklyn, (out at sea where they thought they wouldn't be seen) southern ships nearby spotted them being moved and they immediately sailed to shore where they telegraphed the Confederate authorities that the Union was attempting to sneak troops into the fort disguised as a "supply" mission.

This alerted the people guarding the harbor that the Star of the West was a belligerent ship intent on moving soldiers and munitions into Sumter, and so they fired at it.

Bet you didn't know these details. They don't teach stuff that makes the North look bad.

That’s why the fleet was sent and the South attacked the fort before it could be relieved by the fleet IIRC.

If one ship (Star of the West) could suffice to resupply fort Sumter, then why would it be necessary to send 5 warships, and an ocean going passenger ship loaded with soldiers and munitions? (the Baltic)

Here is an image of one of your "supply" ships.

It is clearly an 1860s era warship, and it wasn't even the most powerful one they sent.

215 posted on 08/01/2022 2:17:16 PM PDT by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: DiogenesLamp

President Buchanan initially wanted to send the Brooklyn loaded with troops to Sumter, but then he thought this would provoke a war, so he ordered the USS Brooklyn to offload the troops onto the Star of the West and sneak them into the fort secretly.

Why would a Southern Democrat president do that, at all? He was the president immediately before Lincoln and the one under which the Southern states abandoned the United States.


224 posted on 08/01/2022 2:40:02 PM PDT by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Link or you stink!
You can’t make up your own history, even if you have no dog in the fight.
There were many factual causes of the war. No need to make any up.
The south had as much propaganda as the North. Did you know the South started a counterfeit currency campaign years before the war started? Why would they do this if they were going to peacefully seced from the Union?
The north was about keeping the Union and could care less about slavery until they realized it could be used as a tool to hurt the south. There were many pro Union people left stranded in the southern states to try and rescue. Meanwhile, most Southerners who had to fight were doing so to protect themselves and families, not for political reasons.
Northerners fought to keep our country United.
It doesn’t matter who fired first. It would of happened anyway.
I would like to see a link about your take of Charleston harbor. Never heard that one before. Northern suppression couldn’t hide eye witness accounts.


308 posted on 08/02/2022 4:36:09 AM PDT by GranTorino (Bloody Lips Save Ships.)
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