[scottinoc]

30 years ago I would’ve agreed with you. This would’ve sounded like another Russian/Soviet disinformation op. Now, I’m not so sure. This kind of story sounds like the kind of crap our dear leader Zelensky is capable of. Either way, I hope this nonsense is over soon. No more proxy wars. It feels like we’re on the wrong side of this one.

[Lurker]

Both sides are equally corrupt. They only differ in scale. Although I will admit that my black heart hopes as many Russians as possible are being turned into pink mist.

They’re owed a lot of payback for the 20th century.

L

[BobL]

“This kind of story sounds like the kind of crap our dear leader Zelensky is capable of.”

It was actually the British behind it, through their Bellingcat operation. And Bellingcat has acknowledged just that. But your instinct was still dead-on, just another feeble Western attempt to make Russia look bad.

[PIF]

Nothing new - the US got a number of Orc planes by offering money back in the 60s and 70s.

[Allegra]

No more proxy wars. It feels like we’re on the wrong side of this one.

I feel like both sides are the wrong side in this one.

[Zhang Fei]

[30 years ago I would’ve agreed with you. This would’ve sounded like another Russian/Soviet disinformation op. Now, I’m not so sure. This kind of story sounds like the kind of crap our dear leader Zelensky is capable of. Either way, I hope this nonsense is over soon. No more proxy wars. It feels like we’re on the wrong side of this one.]

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Let me introduce you to a couple of defense contractor aeronautical engineers of unusual provenance:

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Kum-sok
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Moolah
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Viktor_Belenko

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Biden may be the exception, but I expect there’s generally a red carpet ready for any Russian, Chinese or Iranian military pilot who chooses to come in from the cold along with any aircraft our aviation people haven’t had the pleasure of going over with a fine-toothed comb.