[Skywise]

It’s possible - but I thought such debauchery was endemic to the Roman and Greek Empires and their culture and, if not, it was certainly prevalent for almost a hundred years.

OTOH - you can point to the rise of Christ and Christianity as the movement that corrected it - but then gave rise to it again (in an ironic fashion)

[Jan_Sobieski]

OTOH - you can point to the rise of Christ and Christianity as the movement that corrected it - but then gave rise to it again (in an ironic fashion)

Early Rome, like early Greece and early USA, was virtuous and masculine. Family and business were vaunted and protected. It slouched to Gammorah.