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To: z3n

Ah, but Plato realized that there has to be a first observer, the ultimate cause. This is why John the Evangelist defined the Christ as the Logos-God, He by whom the universe was created.

If this parlor trick means that Bob and Alice aren’t merely picking which branch of time-space-probability they are traveling down, but are actually causing the particle spin to become determinable, then Bob and Alice just proved the existence of the Logos-God, He who speaks and therefore the universe exists.


34 posted on 07/22/2022 12:27:51 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

Ah, but Plato realized that there has to be a first observer, the ultimate cause. This is why John the Evangelist defined the Christ as the Logos-God, He by whom the universe was created.

King solomon made the same point in proverbs 8 only he used the word wisdom—except he says that wisdom was created and not a part of the God the creator. (This is a very testy subject. Someone should check the translations very carefully carefully.)

22 “The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works,[c][d]
before his deeds of old;
23 I was formed long ages ago,
at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
24 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth,
when there were no springs overflowing with water;
25 before the mountains were settled in place,
before the hills, I was given birth,
26 before he made the world or its fields
or any of the dust of the earth.
27 I was there when he set the heavens in place,
when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
28 when he established the clouds above
and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
29 when he gave the sea its boundary
so the waters would not overstep his command,
and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.
30 Then I was constantly[e] at his side.
I was filled with delight day after day,
rejoicing always in his presence,
31 rejoicing in his whole world
and delighting in mankind


56 posted on 07/23/2022 1:33:45 PM PDT by ckilmer (qui)
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To: dangus

Just like I thought. Other versions of the bible like the king james bible say:

Proverbs 8:22
King James Version
22 The Lord possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old.

possession means something very different than created.


57 posted on 07/23/2022 1:36:51 PM PDT by ckilmer (qui)
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