[dangus]

>> ...Pizza crust IS bread. Have you ever made either one? Flour, water, salt, yeast. Maybe a splash of herbs or some other flavor. <<

FFS, Sherlock, no kidding! You’ll note the use of the word, “unqualifiedly” in my first post. It’s bread, but it’s not any bread. You couldn’t slap sauce and cheese on Wonder bread and call it, “pizza.” Pumpkin pie crust is made of those same ingredients; is a pumpkin pie and open-faced sandwich? How about crackers and cheese?

Your guilty of reductionism, here: the belief that something may be adequately described as the sum of its parts.

See this word, here?

“It’s like tasting box wine and claiming that champagne is >>>>just<<<< grape juice.”

Whenever someone uses that word, there’s a good chance they’re about to make the reductionist fallacy.

“The human body is just a combination of a few dollars’ worth of chemicals.”

“The fetus is just a blob of tissue.”

“The Constitution is just a piece of paper.”

[Svartalfiar]

You couldn’t slap sauce and cheese on Wonder bread and call it, “pizza.” Pumpkin pie crust is made of those same ingredients; is a pumpkin pie and open-faced sandwich? How about crackers and cheese?

Why not? We did it a bunch when we were kids, thought we were crazy clever figuring that out!

Pie crusts usually also include shortening or oils, and typically (as in I have never seen) don't use yeast, so there's no rising period. And a pie is pretty clearly not a sandwich. (Also, an "open-face sandwich" is not a sandwich either!) Crackers and cheese, you can make a sandwich out of them, but they aren't necessarily one.


Whenever someone uses that word, there’s a good chance they’re about to make the reductionist fallacy.

“The human body is just a combination of a few dollars’ worth of chemicals.”

“The fetus is just a blob of tissue.”

“The Constitution is just a piece of paper.”

Calling pizza crust 'bread' isn't reductivism, it's what it is. Decribing something using the parts isn't always a fallacy.

Champagne is grape juice, it's just fermented.

The human body is a collection of (more than) a few dollars of various chemicals.

The fetus is a blob of tissue (just like you and me are).

The Constitution is a piece of paper, just with a special combination of words on it.