“The “gene therapy” claim is foolishness that constantly gets repeated around here to the point that people think it must be true.”
I read a lengthy post, basically all quotes from various sources, which made the case that MRNA vaccines for the Wuhan virus was properly described as gene therapy, not vaccine. I went with that, perhaps mistakenly. I do not think these MRNA vaccines are traditional vaccines. Agreed?
What is the track record of MRNA vaccines as antivirals? I read that MRNA vaccines were attempted for SARs CoV-1 but flunked the animal experiment phase. I haven’t heard the results from human trials or animal experiments for the current vaccine.
All, or most, all drugs come with lengthy disclosures of risks. That was not the case when my wife received the jab - no literature was provided. I understand that the developers of these non-traditional vaccines are shielded from lawsuits. That may or may not be justifiable, but it certainly puts this vaccine in a different category. As does the extreme speed of vaccine development in this case.
I object to the term “anti-vaccer.” It is name calling, pure and simple. It is an effort to marginalize and intimidate. This is a standard objectional technique used by many liberals, and a few conservatives. Another is the argument from authority, a known fallacy. In any case, anti-vaccer may be even less appropriate here as one might refuse this vaccine and choose many others, as I mentioned in a prior post.
Another label that gets thrown around is “conspiracy theorist.” Hillary Clinton held at least one press conference with charts advancubg a “vast right-wing” conspiracy. I don’t know if that was before or after millions of Americans voted for her. I’ve never heard a liberal complain. Tump-Putin conspiracy, insurrection conspiracy, no one in the liberal legacy media seems to have a problem with conspiracies when they are advanced by liberals.
It was policy that anyone dying with Covid be categorized as dying from Covid. Yes, that was absurd. However, it was also official policy implemented by hospitals across the land. What if someone said that anyone dying with the jab, died from the jab? Would that be so very different?
“I read that MRNA vaccines were attempted for SARs CoV-1 but flunked the animal experiment phase.”
IIRC they attempted conventional vaccines for both SARS-1 and MERS but ran into VAED which killed all of the test animals. The project was abandoned when SARS-1 and MERS died off all on their own.
“I do not think these MRNA vaccines are traditional vaccines. Agreed?”
They are not, but that doesn’t make them something that your body hasn’t seen before. mRNA is what your body uses every time it orders cells to make proteins. It’s also what the Covid virus uses as it hijacks your cells and tells them to crank out billions of new copies of the virus.
In the case of the vaccines the injected mRNA tells your cells to make imitation spike proteins which obviates the need of growing the spikes in a factory and then injecting those spikes into you. It’s an easier method that we never were able to do before. Cancer research has been working on drugs made this way for years, it’s only new to vaccines.
And only the Moderna and Pfizer-Biontech vaccines use mRNA. J&J, Novavax, Astra Zeneca and the Chinese vaccines all use entirely different methods.