Posted on 06/21/2022 6:44:23 PM PDT by texas booster
Some people confuse this Mary, Queen of Scots, with “Bloody Mary” Queen of England & Ireland (predecessor of Elizabeth I), because they were contemporaries.........................
“Oh, Intercourse the Penguin!”
Not just UK history -- monarchy is not a valid form of gov't, neither is dictatorship, but both are part of the past and even the present.
Cream rises to the top.
Corollary:
Sh!t floats.........................
Yup, they were cousins. The only reason Bloody Mary didn't execute Mary, Q of S, is that didn't live long enough. The day that Liz signed the order and Mary Q of S was executed, she kicked out the staff, shut herself up in her chambers, and wailed and bawled so loud it could be heard throughout the building. It's not surprising, though, that she never quite trusted her father's side of the family. Her first cousins Catherine and Henry were kept close, but didn't last like she did.
Most people got rich the old fashioned way, by being born. That’s still the case.
But their ancestors got rich by taking it away from another powerful thief................
I’ve noticed that many monarchs and Lords died in their 40’s of ‘sudden illness’.
I know hygiene wasn’t very well practiced in those days and food spoilage was common as was plague, consumption (TB), etc, but I’m betting many were poisoned...................
Or, one ancestor got rich through hard work, or through the hard work of others.
They died of TB, Plague, probably influenza, measles, etc. Generally when someone was snuffed, it was under torture, or via knife in the ribs, smothering, strangling...
I’m currently reading Dickens’ “A Child’s History of England” and he mentions that there are currently (at the time of his writing, 1850’s) many wealthy families in the UK that can trace their ancestry (and wealth) back to the Norman Invasion when William killed most all the English nobles and distributed their estates to his Norman knights, and are quite proud of it!...................
smothering...... ‘pressed between two mattresses’ As Dickens described one snuffing.....................
Well, they can try. About five miles from here there’s a sarcophagus where the dead guy had part of his genealogy carved on the side, and there’s about an 800 year gap, but he shows one of the Companions and immediate descendants.
There’s not a single list of them and what happened to them, unless it’s been done recently online. There was an ad hoc metal plaque on the Battle Abbey, but that vanished (probably pried off by some metal scavenger) a couple hundred years ago, and probably didn’t antedate the 16th c anyway.
Add to that, the posh tended to crawl all over each other like a box of drunken hamsters, making the paper pedigree not 100% reliable. On paper, and like probably everyone on here, I’m descended from Wm the Conqueror, Alfred the Great, Charlemagne, etc, but there isn’t a big archive full of birth certificates, nor is there (usually) any DNA to be sequenced, and almost definitely none from the generations of hardworking commoners who carried the line for three, four, five hundred years from the “gateway ancestors”.
Apparently his descendants are still with us: https://www.fox10tv.com/2022/08/11/bronze-service-seals-stolen-veterans-memorial-cemetery-vandalized-over-weekend/
Dickens mentioned the Battle Abbey, and reported that it was an old, broken down, ivy-covered mess of stones..............
Watch it! We deer-wallowers are a private but vengeful bunch.
Throughout human history, monarchy has been the most common form of government. I'll grant that it has tended to produce a lot of really crummy leaders ... democracy (whether direct or republican) has also produced a lot of crummy leaders. Man is fallen and corrupt; as a result, government always tends toward kakistocracy.
It has been a common form. It is still not a valid one.
Then there is no valid form. Government is simply some people using force to control everybody else. If you try to hold up a “Constitutional Representative Republic” as a valid form of government I’ll laugh in your face.
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