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Hydrogen Is Unlikely Ever To Be A Viable Solution To The Energy Storage Conundrum
Manhattan Contrarian ^ | 13 Jun, 2022 | Francis Menton

Posted on 06/14/2022 4:38:00 AM PDT by MtnClimber

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1 posted on 06/14/2022 4:38:00 AM PDT by MtnClimber
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To: MtnClimber
Remember the Hindenberg.


2 posted on 06/14/2022 4:38:16 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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Painting the envelope with solid rocket fuel didn’t help much. However, I remember that the Space Shuttle had to have its hydrogen tank topped off constantly during the pre launch procedures, and could only stand fully fueled for a few hours at most.


3 posted on 06/14/2022 4:42:06 AM PDT by jmcenanly (You have enemies? Good. That means you've stood up for something, sometime in your life.” ― Winston)
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To: MtnClimber
"Just use helium for fuel instead. It doesn't blow up!"


4 posted on 06/14/2022 4:42:14 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: MtnClimber

Please stop confusing the Greenie Weenies with facts. They don’t care how much GREEN it costs as long as it’s GREEN. The GREEN they plan to spend will be coming from TAXPAYERS.


5 posted on 06/14/2022 4:43:03 AM PDT by OHPatriot (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: MtnClimber

The only real advantage to hydrogen is it’s in almost limitless supply. Then when you burn it, the residue converts back to it’s original source.


6 posted on 06/14/2022 4:46:26 AM PDT by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: Sirius Lee

I picture her saying that in a high, Donald Duck voice.


7 posted on 06/14/2022 4:47:19 AM PDT by Fido969 (45 is Superman! )
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To: OHPatriot

For the past several years now, the only GREEN they’re spending has been created from thin air. Taxpayer money is only covering the interest on monies loaned and barely.


8 posted on 06/14/2022 4:48:32 AM PDT by Brown Bag Special (Trust but VERIFY)
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To: MtnClimber

If you want stored solar energy just use nuclear fission.

When they can synthesize the equivalent of gasoline, it will probably be one of the safest mobile energy sources available.


9 posted on 06/14/2022 4:49:29 AM PDT by Empire_of_Liberty
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To: MtnClimber

The only solution is a mixture of all sources...and that includes fossil fuels. The idea that WE can change climate is absurd. Mad scientists they are.


10 posted on 06/14/2022 4:51:43 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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“In-law” Family lore

Did you know that the guy that took that newsreel was the only one of all the reporters in attendance that day that didn’t take a break and go to the bar?

Turns out my brother-in-law’s great-uncle was that guy and he maintained that everybody else missed the shot cuz he stayed out there and was filming while the rest of them were over at the hut/bar having a nip.


11 posted on 06/14/2022 4:56:48 AM PDT by Clutch Martin ("The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right." )
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Interesting story.


12 posted on 06/14/2022 5:00:08 AM PDT by MtnClimber (For photos of Colorado scenery and wildlife, click on my screen name for my FR home page.)
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To: Empire_of_Liberty

I’ve often wondered why they don’t create fission plants far far underground, where if there were a catastrophe the waste matter would be sealed in much like the remnants of hydrogen bomb testing back in the 50s-80s were done underground. I don’t know the physics of power transmission so I think that might be the problem, that is, power needs to be generated locally because transmission becomes too difficult and expensive?


13 posted on 06/14/2022 5:01:18 AM PDT by NicoDon
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To: jmcenanly

Why the shuttle had to refuel for boiloff, rocket has to weigh a specfic amount at launch. Any extra fuel and insulation becomes useless payload. Boiloff or leakage of hydrogen in a fixed envirment is less than 1% per day when dealing with metric tons of the stuff in a fuel bunker.

Electricity that is stored short term has a true cost of zero, solar, hydro, wind, nuclear, conventional spenddown it would otherwise never be available. Fuel Cells are just another form of advanced battery dont get stuck on the chemistry or the need for supercool density.


14 posted on 06/14/2022 5:02:34 AM PDT by protoconservative (Been Conservative Before You Were Born )
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There is already fabulous way to store hydrogen that works well and is used every day. You synthesize organic molecules to make long chain hyrdocarbons and benzene rings and put it together into complexes of varying viscosities and volatility. It’s called petrochemicals otherwise known as fossil fuels. They are relatively safe, easy to store and transport and have very high energy density - higher actually than explosive compounds - which are burdened with carrying their own oxidizer.

And we already have industrial scale plants that can synthesize these kinds of chemicals from coal.


15 posted on 06/14/2022 5:06:41 AM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Sacajaweau
β€œThe only solution is a mixture of all sources...and that includes fossil fuels.”

This!!!
16 posted on 06/14/2022 5:07:13 AM PDT by The Louiswu (We couldn't 'afford' $4 billion for Trump's wall at the southern border?)
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Just repeating what President Trump said...more than once.


17 posted on 06/14/2022 5:09:18 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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To: MtnClimber
if the plan is to power the entire United States by wind and solar facilities,

That's a remarkably stupid plan.

18 posted on 06/14/2022 5:10:09 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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Yes. The Hindenburg disaster is a powerful reminder that aluminum dust mixed with lacquer is rocket fuel.


19 posted on 06/14/2022 5:11:26 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the peopIe to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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Hydrogen is very difficult to store even as a compressed gas, and impossible over extended periods, because it can pass right through steel walls. And it’s so light that it requires a larger volume to store any significant amount as compared to gasoline or LNG. It’s not practical. Elon is using methane to power his Starship, which makes a lot more sense than hydrogen.


20 posted on 06/14/2022 5:23:19 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder
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