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Russians withdraw Buryat troops from Sievierodonetsk because they're dropping like flies - Haidai
Ukrayinska Pravda Yahoo News ^ | 6/9/2022 | ALYONA MAZURENKO

Posted on 06/11/2022 12:39:25 PM PDT by marcusmaximus

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To: BobL; McGruff; AndyJackson; wardaddy

Please see 40.


41 posted on 06/11/2022 4:14:18 PM PDT by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
I wonder if those new weapons never got there.


42 posted on 06/11/2022 4:18:17 PM PDT by McGruff (Don't underestimate Joe's ability to f*** things up - Barack Obama)
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To: marcusmaximus

Great photos! Thank you for posting. Of course, we have a legion of Leftists on FR who clap and celebrate when the Hammer and Sickle flag gets hoisted over squares in Ukrainian mill towns. They cheer on Russia’s brutal Mohammedan mercenaries too. They are very sick.


43 posted on 06/11/2022 4:27:41 PM PDT by Monterrosa-24 (To the barricades !!!)
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To: dennisw

The Chechens are idiots that the Ukies have beaten many times
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They were instrumental in taking Mariupol, driving the Ukies underground only to have 3,500 Ukies surrender, a large percentage Neo- Nazis.


44 posted on 06/11/2022 4:37:38 PM PDT by delta7
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To: ought-six

You are correct about the relative resources, but I size up the Russian’s tactics in the first round of this mess as appallingly wasteful of lives and equipment. Now they have shifted to what won WWII after the Germans became overextended: massive amounts of artillery. The Russians failure to exploit air superiority remains an enigma.


45 posted on 06/11/2022 4:44:01 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: PIF

Chechens, mostly wiped out 2 days ago.
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What ever, fact is 95 percent of the Donbass provinces are now under Vlads control. By our Pentagons news briefs, 10,000 -12,000 Ukies are encircled, if they don’t turn tail like their ill equipped Provisional Guard units.

Vlads Donbass victory will make his Mariupol victory with 3,500 Ukies surrendering a X 3 jackpot, and the murmurs for the little corrupted beggar Zelensky’s ouster will turn to cries for his removal.

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2022/01/26/from-peacemaker-to-warmonger-tragic-downfall-of-ukraines-volodymyr-zelensky/


46 posted on 06/11/2022 4:52:14 PM PDT by delta7
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To: Chewbarkah

“The Russians failure to exploit air superiority remains an enigma.”

Not really. Russia has NEVER been an air power. It may have a lot of aircraft, bit Russia does not know how to use an air force to its full potential. Russia is afraid of losing aircraft to SAMs and other AA weapons.


47 posted on 06/11/2022 4:57:20 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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To: delta7

“Mariupol, driving the Ukies underground only to have 3,500 Ukies surrender”


Looks like they are starting to make progress in the Sievierodonestsk mini-Azovstal “evacuation.”

“Civilians began to leave Azot!

Civilians began to leave through the second checkpoint of the Azot chemical association. This checkpoint is not controlled by militants. They are met and taken to a safe place by the fighters of the allied forces. The remnants of the Ukrainian formations are concentrated and hold several buildings in the area of ​​the first gate. There are occasional shootouts.

They still have several hundred civilians as hostages. As the ring around the militants narrows, civilians will be able to leave their shelters. Allied forces prepare vehicles for evacuation.”
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The casualty numbers have always been under reported by Ukraine. Even when Rybar was getting them from an inside source from the Ukraine General Staff they ranged from 400-700 a day and Deaths greatly outnumbered wounded on a daily basis (unlike what you see with U.S. forces.)

General Z just reported to Zelensky that they had increased by 50% over the last month because of Zelensky’s unwillingness to remove trapped forces.

And last but not least Ukraine has just come out with a decree to mobilize/register women “for uninterrupted replenishment of the losses of personnel.”

https://t.me/s/boris_rozhin/

In Ukraine, the mobilization of women is being prepared for the purpose of “uninterrupted replenishment of the losses of personnel” of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. First of all, until June 15, the mobilization of women who are already liable for military service will start, and until June 31 Ukrainian women from 18 to 60 will be registered for military service.

The order concerns the Dnepropetrovsk, Kyiv, Kirovograd, Nikolaev, Odessa, Kharkov, parts of the Donetsk and Zaporozhye regions.


48 posted on 06/11/2022 5:01:49 PM PDT by Cathi
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To: Chewbarkah

Not really. Russia has NEVER been an air power. It may have a lot of aircraft, but Russia does not know how to use an air force to its full potential. Russia is afraid of losing aircraft to SAMs and other AA weapons.

There are FReepers who regularly dismiss and criticize and vilify the USAF (and it goes beyond common inter-service “rivalry”), but the USAF is the best and most professional air force in history.


49 posted on 06/11/2022 5:02:21 PM PDT by ought-six (Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule. )
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“Olexiy Arestovich says Ukrainian special forces completely destroyed Kadyrov’s reconnaissance team in Severodonetsk. All of them.”

LOL!!! Good one.


50 posted on 06/11/2022 5:02:30 PM PDT by BobL (My hatred of Necons/Globalists exceeds my love of Ukraine or any other country, other than the US)
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To: marcusmaximus

Sievierodonetsk is in the valley and every street has been sited in by Ukrainian artillery on the hill.

This would be where the Helicopter assault force the took and lost Hostomel would have been perfect to take Lysychansk, but Putin stupidly thought he could take all of Ukraine instead of just Luhansk/Donensk and those guys are all dead, now.


51 posted on 06/11/2022 5:02:51 PM PDT by UNGN
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To: Chewbarkah

“The Russians failure to exploit air superiority remains an enigma.”


https://thedreizinreport.com/2022/06/09/since-everyone-asks-whats-the-russian-air-force-doing/

Russia’s cruise missiles have been such a blast, they are taboo in the MSM

Cruise missiles have been THE greatest Russian success story of this war, which is probably why they have gone almost unmentioned in the U.S. and UK press.

First, “no one” expected Russia to have so many. As of now, somewhere north of 1500 of various types (mostly the Kalibr but also the Oniks, Kh-22, Kinzhal, etc.) have been launched against targets in the Ukraine, which is ABOUT THREE-QUARTERS AS MANY CRUISE MISSILES AS THE UNITED STATED HAS LAUNCHED IN **ALL** ITS WARS AND OPERATIONS SINCE 1991.

Second, these things have proven to be amazingly accurate, usually to within just a few meters. In over 100 days of war, with over 1500 launches, excluding the 10 percent or so that have been shot down, the number of Russian cruise missiles that have fallen so short of their targets as to kill civilians or damage civilian homes (without damaging their intended targets at all) can probably be counted on two hands.

Third, Russian cruise missiles have destroyed likely hundreds of tons and hundreds of millions (if not billions) of dollars of NATO country hardware and munitions being moved inside, or stored in, the Ukraine, before it even reached the “front lines.”

Much of this stuff was supposed to be “hidden”, but was discovered by Russian intelligence using satellite imagery or in many cases, informers on the ground. This is an embarrassment, and not something Uncle Sam wants to advertise.

Of course, in war there are losses, but as it’s not supposed to be “their” war, it’s not something “they” want to highlight to their taxpaying publics. As far as the party line goes, all the “donations” are reaching Ukrainian forces in the field.

Is it any wonder that this success story has been fully ignored by the “Russia is losing” crowd?


52 posted on 06/11/2022 5:04:52 PM PDT by Cathi
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To: Chewbarkah
The Russians failure to exploit air superiority remains an enigma.

I think the anti-air assets the Ukrainians have with US/NATO comms to coordinate intercepts or air defense might have something to do with it.

Could be that an artillery shell cost about $2000 and a Su-30 cost about $20-$30,000,000.00... so for 15,000 rounds of artillery you can avoid using a jet and also inflict the debilitating mental pressure of artillery fire. Any precision targeting can be done with missiles and I guess if the targets are high value enough in regards to equipment and morale... well then they'll take a shot.

I'm interested in what drones are doing on the battlefield as are all the NATO/US commands. After the Azerbaijan-Armenian war, everybody sat up and took notice of how tactics are going to have to be modified.

This reminds me of the Spanish Civil war, where the Germans tested some of the tactics on the Spaniards especially with the Luftwaffe... not so much with the tanks because of the Spanish mountains. The Russians are modifying tactics and getting "bloodied" veteran troops. Seeing what works and what sucks in real time on the battlefield. We are living in dangerous times.

53 posted on 06/11/2022 5:09:51 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 deo duce ferro comitantes)
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To: ought-six

I agree... $30,000,000 per SU-30 jet...


54 posted on 06/11/2022 5:11:18 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 deo duce ferro comitantes)
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To: Dick Vomer

“I’m interested in what drones are doing on the battlefield as are all the NATO/US commands.”


Russia claims they have destroyed
1,180 unmanned aerial vehicles


55 posted on 06/11/2022 5:31:33 PM PDT by Cathi
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To: ought-six
These days, Russia doesn’t have the same number of expendable troops, nor are the troops it does have as motivated as those in WWII.

Russia has yet to fully mobilize. This is still a special military operation.

The Russians people would turn against the war if Putin decides to fully mobilize.

56 posted on 06/11/2022 5:34:31 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Dick Vomer
Seeing what works and what sucks in real time on the battlefield.

Artillery, jets, drones, infantry.

Tanks are obsolete. Helicopters have been obsolete since Black Hawk Down but really you'll have to go all the way back to the Soviet War in Afghanistan where we armed the Taliban with Stingers.

57 posted on 06/11/2022 5:37:12 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Cathi

What are they using to knock down the drones?

That’s the real problem we are going to have.


58 posted on 06/11/2022 8:55:48 PM PDT by Dick Vomer (2 Timothy 4:7 deo duce ferro comitantes)
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To: Dick Vomer
Could be that an artillery shell cost about $2000 and a Su-30 cost about $20-$30,000,000.00... so for 15,000 rounds of artillery you can avoid using a jet and also inflict the debilitating mental pressure of artillery fire.

Russian doctrine is based upon heavy reliance on plentiful artillery and assumes that they don't have air dominance. Since the Ukes don't either, they can try out their doctrine and keep their air defense capabilities unused and unexposed to Western intelligence. Maybe the Russians are trying to control territory rather than enrich their MIC, which is US battle doctrine from all appearances.

59 posted on 06/11/2022 9:01:18 PM PDT by AndyJackson
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To: Dick Vomer; Cathi; ought-six

Thanks to all of you for providing interesting info and perspectives.

Youtube is awash with claimed drone strikes by the Ukrainians. If Russia is using drones, the video is not very accessible (to my limited knowledge). The impression this creates (and it might be false), combined with Cathi’s comments about cruise missiles, is that Russia has invested in cruise and hypersonic missile development, rather than drones.

Military spending and future conflicts will definitely be shifting. China is likely re-thinking its invasion plans for Taiwan, and if not already, both will soon be mass-producing derivatives of the Turkish drones, cruise missiles, and especially infantry-operated AT and AA missiles. The interesting question will be, how do you counter those?


60 posted on 06/12/2022 8:04:32 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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