Monkeypox arrives in Dallas via Mexico.

https://apnews.com/article/health-texas-dallas-ecd687656ecca6784d73bae527c9fcf5 ^

[JD_UTDallas]

Respiratory droplets is airborne by definition. It’s not aerosol transmission know the bloody difference. So many scientific illiterates. Why would the WHO and the CDC both track down the people sitting in the rows around the person on the plane. More so go to the NIH research database look for monkeypox via airborne transmission I’ll help you out look for year
S 1968,1972,2008,2013 and 2018 then spend a few hours reading and comprehending the difference between airborne vs aerosol. Like I have said would you personally go into a room with a active monkeypox patient and sit across a table from them neither of you wearing any face masks or PPE for a ten minute conversion? Answer that yes or no? No but but no I don’t sit near homos would you personally sit in breathing range of an active carrier for a friendly conversation like you know in a subway or bus or starbucks yes or no? I can tell you that the hospital employees would be in full respiratory protocols with that person in a negative pressure room and full PPE, face shields and N95 or P100 respirators not masks. So Mr it’s not airborne are you going to sit in that room while all the staff is in biogear because your internet says from some.other internet blogger it’s not airborne. When the WHO,CDC,NIH all have published research showing airborne vector transmission. Airborne not aerosol go learn the difference.

[steve86]

At the present time it is considered to be neither airborne nor aerosolized.

[JD_UTDallas]

Pleas provide a valid reference for that opinion. Both the CDC WHO and nearly every other health organization has data on airborne respiratory transmission it’s on the WHO front page monkeypox guidance for healthcare professionals.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/07/health/monkeypox-masks-cdc.html

“In previous outbreaks, a majority of cases were reported in those who had close contact with an infected patient or animal. But in some instances, airborne transmission was the only explanation for the infections.”

Believe what makes you feel better but the science is clear just like smallpox ,it’s brother monkeypox can spread the same way. Thare is a reason the family attack rate for monkeypox is 60+% sharing the same room with a symptomatic for longer than a few minutes as in over 5 is a sure fire way to pass it on.

The point is to stop a pox virus the health authorities need to contact trace hard and fast, isolated and truly quarantine even the slightest contacts and ring vaccinate those who are in those contacts the existing 100+ year old smallpox vaccine is the same one that stops monkeypox even if given 4 days after exposure. Every human alive in the 1970s got that vaccine it’s tinfoil qtard quackery to think it’s some sinister plot. It’s sound medical epidemiology to isolate and ring vaccinate.

[Dick Bachert]

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[Dick Bachert]

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UNLESS WE HALT IT, WILL KEEP HAPPENING TO US!
TIME TO WAKE UP!
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[JD_UTDallas]

This is the Lancet the world most respected epidemiological studies group and publication.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(19)30294-4/fulltext

This is a study in a prison where people with no direct contact with the infected were infected the only thing in common was the air system was shared read the whole study they conclude that the only possible way was airborne via droplets.

Read the links in the NYT page they also show orthopox airborne vector transmission in the 1940s 1970s ,2012 and then go to the NIH data base look for monkeypox via airborne transmission in years 1968,1972,2008,2018 once you have brushed up on all that come back with a counter reference for no airborne transmission vectors.

[CatHerd]

There is absolutely nothing about a prison there. Maybe you pasted in the wrong link?

[CatHerd]

It is not "airborne" in the medical world. It can be spread by large droplets:

Droplets settle rapidly and fall to the ground. Airborne viruses can travel via very fine droplets or aerosols over longer distances.

I know you know it does not travel via aerosol, but in the medical world, airborne and aerosol are practically synonymous.

The word "vector" gets misused a LOT here on FR. When speaking of a disease vector:

"Vectors are living organisms that can transmit infectious pathogens between humans, or from animals to humans. Many of these vectors are bloodsucking insects, which ingest disease-producing microorganisms during a blood meal from an infected host (human or animal) and later transmit it into a new host, after the pathogen has replicated. Often, once a vector becomes infectious, they are capable of transmitting the pathogen for the rest of their life."

"https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/vector-borne-diseases"

Sorry, but the crazy ways people are using "vector" on FR when discussing diseases is bugging me, and renders their sentences nonsensical.

Previous outbreaks have been readily contained via contact tracing and isolation. Nearly all cases are occurrng within highly promiscuous sexual networks. The problem with "trace and isolate" in this group is anonymous sex with strangers -- the patient can't name his "close contacts". The same challenge would exist if response was stepped up to ring vaccination.

Those outside those networks generally know who their close contacts are and trace and isolate should work fine as before.

Where did you read 50% of cases in the UK are "nonhomo"? Do you have a link? I would be interested in reading about it. According to UKHSA "People who are gay or bisexual and men who have sex with men remain disproportionately affected."

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/monkeypox-cases-confirmed-in-england-latest-updates

Yes, monkeypox is related to smallpox but is way less contagious with an R0 of >1. Smallpox has an R0 of 3.5 - 6. Now, that's assuming a normal population. Within the population who attend these enormous fetish festivals and huge orgies at gay saunas and have "gay relations" with tens of strangers, it would be WAY higher.

It's not so much a case of the monkeypox virus "evolving" to replace smallpox. It's a case of humans losing immunity to smallpox (which also confers immunity to monkeypox) after vaccination was halted. With no immunity to the pox family of viruses, we humans offer monkeypox a handy new niche to occupy.

Again, humans are not a vector of monkeypox or anything else. We are hosts who can spread it directly to other human (and animal) hosts. Monkeypox is not a vector-borne disease.

If someone has malaria (which is a vector-borne disease), he can cough and sneeze all over you and still not give it to you. You can have intimate relations with a malaria patient and still not catch it. But if there are mosquitoes around, yes you can catch it. The mosquito is the vector. The humans are the hosts.

If someone has monkeypox, a mosquito bites him and later bites someone else, nope, no monkeypox transmission. It cannot replicate inside the mosquito's gut like malaria can.

Where did you find the information that the secondary transmission rate within a few rows on a plane is over 50%? "The secondary attack rate in unvaccinated contacts of monkeypox cases was calculated to be 9.3%." (see link at bottom of this post).

There have been prior cases of symptomatic patients travelling on long fights (including transatlantic flights) with no transmission whatsover.

"July 2021 Travel-Associated Case

CDC and the Texas Department of State Health Services confirmed on July 15, 2021 a case of human monkeypox in a U.S. citizen who traveled from Nigeria to the United States on two commercial flights. CDC supported state and local health officials to identify more than 200 people who had possible contact with the patient. Contacts were asked to monitor their health for 21 days. In early September, 21 days had passed without additional cases identified, and the monitoring period for the remaining contacts ended. Strong collaboration between CDC, state and local health departments, airline and airport partners, and other stakeholders involved in this investigation helped to prevent additional cases of monkeypox in the U.S. related to this case."

https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/outbreak/us-outbreaks.html

"There were 3 cases diagnosed in the UK between 8 and 26 September 2018. All known close contacts were followed up after their last contact with cases; no further cases were identified and no further transmission of virus was detected (3)."

https://jglobalbiosecurity.com/article/10.31646/gbio.22/

You can read about procedures followed in the first two cases (third case was a nurse who caught it from patient #2 before proper PPE procedures were instituted), the contact tracing and monitoring (including of airline passengers), etc., here:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6157091/

Both patients were symptomatic before leaving Nigeria, both travelled to the UK by air, then travelled to different destinations within the UK. In both cases, medical personnel did not use proper PPE during early contact with these patients. No one, except the one nurse, caught it.

Of course you *could* catch it from a seat mate on a long flight, hence the tracing and monitoring by health authorities.

What source do you have for the 60-70% household attack rate? That's as bad and worse than the more contagious smallpox! Most sources I have seen put it at around 50% for household members who have never received the smallpox vaccine. With proper PPE procedures (gloves when handling soiled bedding, mask, disinfection of surfaces, etc.), it would likely be far, far lower.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/pharmacology-toxicology-and-pharmaceutical-science/monkeypox

[FreedomPoster]

>>It’s sound medical epidemiology to isolate and ring vaccinate.

The problem the medical establishment has got is that after 2-1/2 years of so many lies and mistruths being pushed about Covid, many people don’t trust the medical establishment. So even if the vaccine being used against monkeypox is the very safe smallpox one, people will be leery/questioning.

[skr]

A list of those who trust vaccines would more than likely be a lot shorter.

[skr]

Thank you. Never watched X-files, but that’s a good preview of what has come.

[mewzilla]

Per the CDC, FWIW...

“Monkeypox spreads between people primarily through direct contact with infectious sores, scabs, or body fluids. It also can be spread by respiratory secretions during prolonged, face-to-face contact. Monkeypox can spread during intimate contact between people, including during sex, as well as activities like kissing, cuddling, or touching parts of the body with monkeypox sores. At this time, it is not known if monkeypox can spread through semen or vaginal fluids.”

So unless the plane passengers were going for their Mile Hile Club certification, I don’t think they have much to worry about.

If we can trust the CDC on this.

[mewzilla]

CoupFlu vaxxes may have helped give us this outbreak.

[logi_cal869]

The list here is quite long.

The stupid: It burns and it is contagious.

[Georgia Girl 2]

Monkey pox is contagious not infectious. So good luck with a plandemic.

[CatHerd]

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Contagious and infectious are synonyms.

[Vaduz]

Bingo

[JD_UTDallas]

Your are wrong like most people. Stop playing semantics. Here have some crow.

Airborne is droplets that’s the medical term for airborne it literally means air carried. Aerosol is what you and everyone else is talking about I am done here is yet another source with more medical experts not that the CDC,the WHO, Lancet and a slew of others since the 1960s have all documented and experimentally demonstrated that monkeypox and every other orthodox virus is airborne. It was the primary route for smallpox transmission. I don’t get why there is such a push back for what is obviously an issue the point is to take the steps to break the chains of infection fast and early so it doesn’t get a endemic foot hold outside of Africa only fing morons would try to stop those necessary steps. No more debate the science is clear believe what you want the rest of the world’s scientific community will move on.

https://www.newsweek.com/monkeypox-airborne-masks-prevent-spread-1713801

Most monkeypox cases can be traced back to a patient having direct, close contact with an infected person or animal. However in some circumstances this has not been the case—meaning the transmission must have been airborne.

In a 2017 study during an outbreak in Nigeria, scientists found that two health care workers had become infected with the virus while having no contact with the patients they were treating. In these cases, it is likely that masks could have prevented transmission.

Here is hard physical evidence with experimental testing to prove various orthopox have airborne transmission vectors. Monkeypox was used in the study extensively. Monkeypox has for years been studied as a primary biological weapon because of it’s characteristics as well.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2554549/pdf/bullwho00229-0139.pdf

The world health orgs need to not botch this like covid where they denied for two years covid was not only airborne but also aerosol when the evidence was there from the first cases in 2019. Finally two years later after hundreds of scientists proved covid was aerosol in addition to airborne they recanted for political reasons. Politics has zero place in science. If the science is giving a unpopular result it’s still science. Monkeypox has a airborne transmission vectors just like smallpox that should be a factor in how to contain it leave the dumb shit politics aside. The goal needs to be how do we as a species stop a direct cousin to one of the worse virus in human history from taking a permanent foothold in our society everything else is secondary including your feelings. Sorry that’s how science works. Put your big boy pants on and suck it up butter cup.

[CatHerd]

I cannot read the NYT article as it’s behind a paywall.

I could find no data on the WHO or CDC websites on airborne transmission. Would you be so kind as to provide links?

This WHO webpage states:

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Considerations related to clinical management and infection prevention and control in health care settings

Health workers caring for patients with suspected or confirmed monkeypox should implement standard, contact and droplet precautions. These precautions are applicable in any health facility including outpatient services and hospitals. Standard precautions include strict adherence to hand hygiene, appropriate handling of contaminated medical equipment, laundry, waste and cleaning and disinfection of environmental surfaces.

Prompt isolation of suspected or confirmed cases in a single room with adequate ventilation, dedicated bathroom and staff is recommended. Cohort (confirmed with confirmed, suspected with suspected) can be implemented if single rooms are not available, ensuring minimum of 1-meter distance between patients. Recommended personal protective equipment (PPE) includes gloves, gown, medical mask and eye protection – goggles or face shield. The patient should also be instructed to wear a medical mask when they come into close contact (under 1m) with health workers or other patients, if they can tolerate it. Additionally, a bandage, sheet or gown can be used to cover lesions in order to minimize potential contact with lesions. PPE should be disposed of prior to leaving the isolation area where the patient is admitted.

Should aerosol generating procedures (AGPs) (i.e. aspiration or open suctioning of respiratory tract specimens, bronchoscopy, intubation, cardiopulmonary resuscitation), be required for any reason and cannot be delayed, then as a matter of standard practice, a respirator (FFP2 or EN certified equivalent or US NIOSH-certified N95) must be used by health care workers instead of a medical mask.

Isolation and transmission-based precautions should be continued until resolution of symptoms (including the resolution of any rash and scabs that have fallen off and healed).

https://www.who.int/emergencies/disease-outbreak-news/item/2022-DON385

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Note standard practices for airborne diseases (negative pressure room, N95 masks, etc.) are not among the recommendations, except when aerosol generating procedures are being performed.

CDC guidelines are the same:

https://www.cdc.gov/poxvirus/monkeypox/clinicians/infection-control-healthcare.html

It’s doubtful one would catch monkeypox from merely being in the room with a symptomatic patient for five minutes. Possible, but not probable.

[CatHerd]

Did you post this to the wrong person?