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I do not know the rental cost of a Tesla. Also, the range quoted in the article is not particularly lower than the Tesla at a reasonable rental cost. They max at 400 upscale?

This is not an engineering problem. It is physics. Only so many ampere hours can be put into a battery in such and such number of minutes. The charging stations saying they can charge things in less than overnight will also be talking about 80% charge, not full. These are enormous levels of ampere flow. It is not and never will be 3 minutes filling of a fuel tank — and make no mistake here, THAT is the only criteria that matters.

If you can’t put 400 miles into a car in 3 minutes, it is inferior. The I word. Inferior. As to these sales stats, go get data from non EV sources. And get them in a year not recovering from the virus or from virus stimulus fleet subsidies.

Then we’ll see if people want to wait hours to fill a tank.


4 posted on 06/05/2022 8:30:07 AM PDT by Owen
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Among my friends, I have one Tesla true-believer who is always very quick to jump on any Facebook posting about anything contrary to his true-believer status on EVs. I might just make his Sunday by posting this on my page to see his response. BTW, he is an electrical engineer and fully gets the physics reality.


7 posted on 06/05/2022 8:35:11 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't. )
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“Also, the range quoted in the article is not particularly lower than the Tesla at a reasonable rental cost. They max at 400 upscale?”

Author says they may have had 232 mile range model.


25 posted on 06/05/2022 8:47:20 AM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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“This is not an engineering problem. It is physics. Only so many ampere hours can be put into a battery in such and such number of minutes.”

kwhrs, not amp hours.

Seems engineering is putting in the kwhrs faster and faster every day!


26 posted on 06/05/2022 8:49:49 AM PDT by TexasGator (UF)
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These are enormous levels of ampere flow.

Correct. If the grid is feeding a given charging station to a level that will allow a single vehicle to be fully charged in the same time that a gas tank can be filled, what will happen when 2, 4, 8, or more similar vehicles are demanding the same level of current flow at the same charging station?

At some point, a limit will be reached. The capacity of the system, end-to-end, will be exceeded, and the charge rate will have to be throttled to avoid massive failure.

To avoid this, a massive country-wide upgrade of the generation and distribution system will be needed. Will it happen? When will it happen? What will it cost?

49 posted on 06/05/2022 9:15:14 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Long live the Great MAGA King!)
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Imagine the 3 days wait at Costco to charge up on the cheap.

Conversely, Musk already saw the opportunities at charging stations and has invested heavily in land in the middle of nowhere, land which is speculated to have ‘oases’ pop up as ‘EV Travel Centers’...including overnight rooms and restaurants, as increasing numbers of travelers hit the bottleneck.

Can you imagine what will happen as the supply chain is regulated into EV transportation? At least there won’t be higher risk due to lack of sleep of truck drivers. /s


87 posted on 06/05/2022 10:36:40 AM PDT by logi_cal869 (-cynicus the "concern troll" a/o 10/03/2018 /!i!! &@$%&*(@ -)
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Good post. Thanks. My feelings as well.

One other reason I don't support the EV cult, though, viz. because it's what the liberals want.

128 posted on 06/05/2022 3:48:14 PM PDT by LouAvul (Complacency is the enemy of courage.)
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