Posted on 05/11/2022 10:45:42 AM PDT by ransomnote
| In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled BMJ’s Peter Doshi Tells FDA About Serious Concerns Over Pfizer Trial Data and Lack of FDA Oversight, DugwayDuke wrote: |
ransomnote wrote: “One of those waste-of-time posts you make to lead away from the importance of the content of the thread. There’s nothing you won’t try to dilute or distract from if it’s otherwise helpful to FReepers.” Pushing incorrect and dangerous information such as the threads you publish are not helpful to FReepers. The real importance of these garbage threads are the forum they provide for those posting accurate information to rebut the misrepresentations you publish. 12% effectiveness The claim: The facts: The vaccine efficacy was calculated using the number of people who tested positive for covid during the trials in both the vaccine group (8) and the placebo group (168). These people making the claim of 12% are instead insisting that rather than using positive covid results as an indicator of covid, “suspected but unconfirmed” cases should be counted as well. The problem, however, is the definition of “suspected but unconfirmed.” In this trial, anyone with any symptom of COVID (many of which are also symptoms of other respiratory diseases) was required to be given a PCR COVID test to determine whether that case was COVID or not. Those who tested positive were then “confirmed COVID” cases, while those who tested negative were listed as “suspected but unconfirmed”. In other words, these people got sick, or were even experiencing the effects of the vaccine, but did not test positive COVID. And since the COVID vaccine was not created to reduce *all* sources of fever, cough, etc, it would be dishonest to include these “suspected but unconfirmed” cases in the calculations of vaccine efficacy for the COVID vaccine. https://mailchi.mp/voicesforvaccines/just-the-facts-july-30-1045533?e=bdf3721c5d |
ransomnote: That's the second fake news 'fact check' post you've put on this thread alone. This one is even more veiled than the one before - with almost no information available on the web to identify this fake 'fact check' site. You are just phoning it in now - no identifying information just a link to a blog and a 'so there!' post from you.
Don't worry - I researched the site and it's another CDC funded propaganda arm, this time dressed up as a parent's organization. However, it was founded by former CDC persons of influence and there's details like this:
"In addition, the Task Force annually receives large grants from CDC: often over $10m per year and $18.6m in fiscal year 2016. CDC funded projects include $10m to support the Partnership for Influenza Vaccine Introduction, which aims to establish seasonal influenza vaccination programs in low and middle income countries.[5]"
ransomnote: “That’s the second fake news ‘fact check’ post you’ve put on this thread alone. This one is even more veiled than the one before - with almost no information available on the web to identify this fake ‘fact check’ site. You are just phoning it in now - no identifying information just a link to a blog and a ‘so there!’ post from you.”
Now that you’ve got your ad hominin rank out of the way, why not address the methodology issues that ‘fact check’ raised about your original post?
Now do the billions Pfizer and Moderns made, lapdog.
Because your deBOOOOONKing site is as much a shill as you are.
Fake and Defective
“All vaccine makers enjoy lawsuit protection. Covid is not unique.”
Covid has a unique arrangement. The compensation for injury is from a fund dedicated for the EUA covid vax.
As to all vaccines having liability protection, you are flat-out lying. The red-hot heat to get children vaxxed is specifically for the purpose of getting them protected as a childhood vx under the 1986 law.
SecAmndmt wrote: “Covid has a unique arrangement. The compensation for injury is from a fund dedicated for the EUA covid vax. As to all vaccines having liability protection, you are flat-out lying. The red-hot heat to get children vaxxed is specifically for the purpose of getting them protected as a childhood vx under the 1986 law.”
https://www.findlaw.com/healthcare/patient-rights/can-i-sue-vaccine-manufacturers-.html
Even Malone admits he was wrong on vaccine liability protections:
“David Bowman, a spokesperson for the Health Resources and Services Administration — the federal agency that oversees compensation programs for those who allege injuries following vaccination — told us in an email that there “are no liability or compensation differences between a countermeasure approved under an EUA or one that has received full FDA approval.””
“Malone did not respond to our request for comment, but acknowledged in an Aug. 30 tweet that he was “wrong” about the purported differences in liability. Malone told the Washington Post‘s Fact Checker: “On this particular legal liability issue I did not hunt down the details myself, and relied on comments from a third party lawyer which were not fully correct.””
The Prep Act:
https://aspr.hhs.gov/legal/PREPact/Pages/default.aspx
grey_whiskers wrote: “Now do the billions Pfizer and Moderns made, lapdog.”
Can’t you understand that pharma might make billions but the gain is spread across millions of employees, shareholders, etc., while the millions made by Malone, Mercola, etc., are largely accrued by individuals ie, Malone, Mercola, etc.
And the deaths and injuries from the clot shot have caused economic damage far in excess of the mere millions sent to those sounding the alarm; they should be getting far MORE money and no persecution from the corrupt BigPhara/BigGov axis.
grey_whiskers wrote: “And the deaths and injuries from the clot shot have caused economic damage far in excess of the mere millions sent to those sounding the alarm; they should be getting far MORE money and no persecution from the corrupt BigPhara/BigGov axis.”
“The U.S. COVID-19 vaccination program has prevented an estimated 1.1 million deaths and 10.3 million hospitalizations.”
The shots have saved lives and prevented economic damages in contrast to those anti-vaxxers profiting from false information which does cost lives and cause economic damages.
You’re spreading propaganda.
Note the word “estimated”.
You know, like how the epidemiologists at University College London were estimating 10 million deaths before “two years to slow the spread (and elect Biden)”.
And how Sweden and Florida defied the public health recommendations and came out better than the NPCs who followed them.
And the economic and social costs from the lockdowns have been incalculable: as even some of the propagandists are now admitting.
https://summit.news/2022/05/12/lockdown-advocate-admits-negative-impacts-were-never-considered/
Professor John Edmunds was part of the SAGE team that told the government there would be 6,000 Omicron deaths per day in the absence of another lockdown late last year.
In reality, the death toll never got anywhere near that number as the doomsayers were proven spectacularly wrong yet again.
Now Edmunds admits that the economic harm and the knock-on health effects of lockdown were harms that “in principle” could have been factored into models “but in practice they were not.
Sod Off, Troll.
First, you charge the vaccines with deaths and injuries and economic damage. In your latest post you attempt to change the subject to lockdowns. And, you accuse me of spreading propaganda when you can’t even keep your causes straight.
grey_whiskers wrote: “And the deaths and injuries from the clot shot have caused economic damage far in excess of the mere millions sent to those sounding the alarm; they should be getting far MORE money and no persecution from the corrupt BigPhara/BigGov axis.”
rey_whiskers wrote: “And the economic and social costs from the lockdowns have been incalculable: as even some of the propagandists are now admitting.”
https://summit.news/2022/05/12/lockdown-advocate-admits-negative-impacts-were-never-considered/
grey_whiskers wrote: “You’re spreading propaganda. Note the word “estimated”.”
So, where did you get these ‘estimates’? It does you no good to accuse others of providing propaganda when you provide unsourced propaganda ‘estimates’ of your own.
grey_whiskers wrote: “And the deaths and injuries from the clot shot have caused economic damage far in excess of the mere millions sent to those sounding the alarm; they should be getting far MORE money and no persecution from the corrupt BigPhara/BigGov axis.”
I got the word estimates from your post, troll.
The number of deaths without the clot shot were pulled out of some corrupt bureaucrat’s ass.
The seats due to the clot shots are actual dead people reported to VAERS or retrospective excess deaths from actuarial tables.
Troll.
The lockdowns were the literal direct results of your sides’ lies:”Two weeks to slow the spread.”
We now have proof the lockdowns were utterly unnecessary.
Except to enable massive vote fraud.
Troll.
grey_whiskers wrote: “I got the word estimates from your post, troll.”
so you did but where did you get the ‘estimates’ that “the deaths and injuries from the clot shot have caused economic damage far in excess of the mere millions sent to those sounding the alarm;...” Those are just fictitious numbers made up from anti-vaxxer zealots with no substantiation.
grey_whiskers wrote: “The seats due to the clot shots are actual dead people reported to VAERS or retrospective excess deaths from actuarial tables.”
Neither VAERS or actuarial tables can be used to demonstrate that the shots caused any deaths. IOW, just more propaganda pulled out of an anti-vaxxer’s ass.
grey_whiskers wrote: “The lockdowns were the literal direct results of your sides’ lies:”Two weeks to slow the spread.””
Not my side. I defy you to provide a quote from me supporting the lockdowns or masks. My points here have been that the vaccines are safe and effective, not that they should be mandated.
Hey Swampy, you’re deflecting.
I explicitly and specifically said “You’re sides’ lies”.
Jab apologists.
Simple math, troll-boi.
We're in a recession; the lockdowns necessitated trillions of dollars in helicopter money (40% of all dollars in existence were created in the last two years).
By definition, trillions >>> millions.
I understand that this is too involved for someone who can can't count past their fingers and toes; but I owe it to the lurkers.
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Rapid Response:
Voices for Vaccines
In his rapid response, John Stone[1] mentions the self-described “parent-driven organization” Voices for Vaccines, and correctly points out that it is an “administrative project” of the Task Force for Global Health, a non-profit with financial ties to CDC and vaccine manufacturers (among others).
I looked at Voices for Vaccines and the Task Force when researching my article. Here is what I found.
The Task Force is America’s second largest charity, and reports revenue in excess of $3 billion. (This valuation is driven by in-kind donations of medicines from pharmaceutical companies.) And Voices for Vaccines, which hosts a variety of advocacy toolkits on its website and runs a blog that carries first hand testimonials of parents who vaccinate, was one of the six organizations CDC partnered with on a blog relay for National Infant Immunization Week last year.[2] Voices for Vaccines is also a member of the industry-funded “317 Coalition” I reported on (see Box 1 in my article[3]), and is considered by the CDC- and industry-funded Immunization Action Coalition as another “reliable source” for vaccination information.[4]
For years, Voices for Vaccines bolstered its image as an independent voice by explaining that it categorically refused donations from both vaccine manufacturers and the government. Under a heading that read “Independence,” the website stated: “To allay concerns about conflicts of interest, Voices For Vaccines does not accept donations from vaccine companies or the federal government.”
But the organization’s distance from the CDC is questionable. Both the Task Force for Global Health and its Voices for Vaccines project are the creation of influential former CDC employees William Foege and Alan Hinman.
In addition, the Task Force annually receives large grants from CDC: often over $10m per year and $18.6m in fiscal year 2016. CDC funded projects include $10m to support the Partnership for Influenza Vaccine Introduction, which aims to establish seasonal influenza vaccination programs in low and middle income countries.[5]
But the Task Force -- which partners with the CDC on its other projects -- maintains that CDC has no relationship with Voices for Vaccines. Task Force president and CEO David Ross told The BMJ, “The Task Force serves as the fiscal agent for Voices for Vaccines. This includes processing donations and managing payroll for Voices for Vaccines staff. Voices for Vaccines is entirely funded through donations. Neither The Task Force's pharmaceutical partners nor the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have relationships with Voices for Vaccines.”
Task Force chief communications and development officer Poul Olson told The BMJ, “Fiscal year 2016 total revenue for Voices for Vaccines was $21,917. It is entirely self-funded through private donations and does not receive any funding from the U.S. government.”
References
1. Stone J. Re: The unofficial vaccine educators: are CDC funded non-profits sufficiently independent? [Internet]. 2017 [cited 2018 Nov 9]. Available from: http://www.bmj.com/content/359/bmj.j5104/rr
2. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Engaging Partners in Social and Digital Activities during NIIW [Internet]. 2016 [cited 2017 Jul 30]. Available from: http://web.archive.org/web/20161127064057/https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/e...
3. Doshi P. The unofficial vaccine educators: are CDC funded non-profits sufficiently independent? BMJ. 2017 Nov 7;359:j5104.
4. Immunization Action Coalition. Reliable Sources of Immunization Information: Where Parents Can Go to Find Answers! [Internet]. 2017 [cited 2017 Aug 15]. Available from: http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4012.pdf
5. Task Force for Global Health. CDC Awards $10-million Cooperative Agreement to Expand Influenza Vaccine Project [Internet]. 2016 [cited 2017 Nov 9]. Available from: https://www.taskforce.org/newsroom/cdc-awards-10-million-cooperative-agr...
Competing interests: See http://www.bmj.com/about-bmj/editorial-staff/peter-doshi. The BMJ is published by the publishing company BMJ, which is a wholly owned subsidiary of the BMA. BMJ receives revenues from subscriptions, open access fees, advertising, and sponsorship (see www.bmj.com/about-bmj). This includes revenues from vaccine manufacturers.