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NAVY WITNESSES DESCRIBE 2004 ENCOUNTER WITH UAP ABOARD THE USS RONALD REAGAN
The Debrief ^ | Dave Beatty, Sean Munger, & Craig Labadie

Posted on 05/09/2022 6:26:28 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

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To: MHGinTN

I agree although, judging by their freakish actions, angels have capabilities to “use” technology that are quite foreign to our understanding.


61 posted on 05/09/2022 3:12:28 PM PDT by Hebrews 11:6 ("This is Thy pleasure, that Thou art my joy")
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To: RoosterRedux

It’s been over fifty years since Roswell. UFO phenomena has spread across time and the world. People are as ready as they ever will be.

If I believed, my money is it’s nefarious.


62 posted on 05/09/2022 3:42:38 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Fu%k the Ballot box. Now the Cartridge Box)
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To: Sirius Lee

Alas, we are not monkeys and can reason. Maybe not wisely but the ability is there.

Not disputing that there may be intelligent life among the stars but a few flashing lights aren’t convincing.

Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.


63 posted on 05/09/2022 3:48:07 PM PDT by RedMonqey (Fu%k the Ballot box. Now the Cartridge Box)
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To: Hebrews 11:6
The government has released information indicating they have materials with isotope signatures not of this planet. There is an interesting entry in a book by Lisa Randall where she notes crystalline structures which appear to form based on a higher spatial dimensional influence to form their structure (Warped Passages, Lisa Randal)

The first estate of the angels might be a huge hint regarding hyper-dimensional reality, from which fallen angels stepped in order to be 'gods' to humankind and take wives of the daughters of men.

64 posted on 05/09/2022 4:45:43 PM PDT by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: RoosterRedux

“Much of the abduction discussion has the same basic cast of characters (short and tall grays, mantids on rare occasions).”

The problem is that this does not cover all of the abductions—and definitely not all of the human contact cases.

Fascinating reading is the Rosales “Humanoid Encounters” series of books.

This is the first of the series:

https://www.amazon.com/Humanoid-Encounters-AD-1899-Others-amongst/dp/1542722055

Occam’s Razor is useless with this stuff—it is just too complex and there is just too much of it.


65 posted on 05/09/2022 5:16:56 PM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: cgbg
Thx. I will check out that book.

Are the encounter accounts in that book anecdotal accounts, stories that have been passed down by family, etc., OR have they been tested for reliability (multiple accounts of same occurrence, etc.)?

There have been many, many accounts throughout the years that need to be held in light regard (however much they might be true) if only because there is no way of measuring or attesting their accuracy/reliability.

The accounts described by Mack, Hopkins, and David Jacobs are the result of hypnotic regression of certain individuals who have been (as much as possible) screened for credibility. And even then they need to be taken with a huge grain of salt.

The most reliable accounts of course are those like the Ariel School account in Zimbabwe and the Westall HS account in Australia. In both of these accounts, there were multiple witnesses whose stories have stood the test of time.

In the accounts obtained via hypnotic regression, Mack, Hopkins, and Jacobs all leave open the possibility that the contact experiences might have been imagined or hallucinated (even when there was significant PTSD).

66 posted on 05/10/2022 6:16:12 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Terence McKenna has an interesting approach in evaluating “one off” anecdotes.

His argument—if the person “could not imagine it” based on their exposure to mass media and entertainment it is far more interesting and likely to be valid.

So—many of the most interesting cases are true “firsts”, no matter how bizarre they may appear and even if there are few repeats.

It is the opposite approach to Occam’s Razor, which is the method the Western mind has been trained to use for analysis.


67 posted on 05/10/2022 7:28:50 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: cgbg
Great response. Thx.

I agree with the Terence McKenna approach to some degree but still look at this subject very skeptically because of its "woo-woo" quality.

It was all much more comfortable when everything was about aliens in nuts and bolts spaceships. When it veered off into quantum physics, consciousness, and demons, it became increasingly difficult to fathom.;-)

That said, we have to follow the evidence wherever it leads. But more than ever we need to test the evidence before following it.

68 posted on 05/10/2022 7:42:41 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

Good luck testing evidence.

One purpose of a lot of this stuff seems to be to subvert the current human scientific method and hint at new paradigms for understanding.

(That has been the view taken by McKenna, Vallee, John Mack and Carl Jung, among others.)

Imho it is better to embrace the mystery and not try to insist on closure.

That is exactly the opposite of what governments and scientists do.


69 posted on 05/10/2022 7:57:46 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: cgbg
When I say "testing the evidence," I don't mean to imply that it can always be subjected to empirical laboratory-like testing. But it can be analyzed carefully.

Though John Mack was IMHO kind of naive in his approach to this matter, even he carefully examined his "clients" to weed out those who he felt were either fabricating the evidence or having psychotic experiences.

The Chris Bledsoe contacts are a great case in point. Bledsoe's experiences have been confirmed by many other people, some of which are UFOlogists and former government agents who were curious about his case.

I am still unsure what the hell is going on with Bledsoe, but there are plenty of corroborating accounts to back up his stories.

70 posted on 05/10/2022 8:40:23 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

What Mack was actually doing was “testing the people” to weed out obvious kooks and liars—so I guess that is a form of testing the evidence.

However, he was totally baffled by the folks he did believe.

When confronted with contradictory claims (”aliens are good” vs “aliens are bad” for example) he had no real basis to decide either way, and no real criteria to figure out how to decide.

To me the main message of all this is that homo sapiens need to lose the arrogance that “this culture has figured it out”.

We haven’t figured out squat imho.

We may have to survive a million years to get even close....easier said than done....


71 posted on 05/10/2022 8:48:20 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: cgbg
I completely agree.

And, yes, Mack seems to have ended up in the aliens are not a threat camp.

I think he was wrong to some degree (depending, as you say, on which "alien" group we are dealing with).

As an aside, I think the government has already made its "disclosure." They don't know what "it" is but "it" is already here...and it isn't Russia, China, or us.

I think humanity is about to enter a new paradigm that has not been imagined and may not have been even capable of being imagined.

72 posted on 05/10/2022 8:58:32 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: RoosterRedux

The one part of “disclosure” that the US government has refused to make is its own history of disinformation, infiltration of UFO groups, and silence and intimidation of witnesses in the name of “national security”.

That is very real—and they continue to play “hide the ball”.

Congress should be focusing on that issue rather than chasing phantoms they will never understand anyway.


73 posted on 05/10/2022 9:18:33 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: cgbg
I doubt the government will ever admit to its crimes re: this issue. Heck, the Air Force is still refusing to comment even in the most general of terms.

But at least the Pentagon and the government have "constructively" admitted these things exist and that they are not ours or Russian/Chinese. That's a step.

Folks on this thread and in the country as a whole should get prepared for what's coming. It's gonna rock the world and all reality.

74 posted on 05/10/2022 11:14:47 AM PDT by RoosterRedux
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