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Hydrofluoric acid: the chemical hazard hiding in electric and hybrid vehicle batteries
Prosol UK ^ | 5/01/2022 | Prosol

Posted on 05/07/2022 7:51:09 AM PDT by fireman15

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To: fireman15

“electric vehicles and electronic gadgets”

I’ve wondered about the total tonnage of lithium used in cars versus its use in electronic gadgets.


61 posted on 05/07/2022 10:57:32 AM PDT by cymbeline
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To: Disambiguator
So, the nastiest form of fluoride is what they put in municipal water. For our benefit, of course.

If you can find an example of HF being used to add fluoride to a municipal water system... please provide a link.

62 posted on 05/07/2022 10:59:12 AM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: cymbeline
I've wondered about the total tonnage of lithium used in cars versus its use in electronic gadgets.

I would assume that currently electronic gadgets are still using the most... But since you are talking about grams vs hundreds to over a thousand pounds per battery... It probably will not take that long for electric vehicles to take the big prize.

The CFO of Rivian said recently that probably less than 5% of the infrastructure currently existed to produce the amount of batteries that would be needed by electric vehicles in ten years. My guess is that it will never exist.

63 posted on 05/07/2022 11:05:25 AM PDT by fireman15 (Irritating people are the grit from which we fashion our pearl. I provide the grit. You're Welcome.)
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To: fireman15

Ah yes HF acid.
Also used in refining gasoline


64 posted on 05/07/2022 11:10:08 AM PDT by Married with Children
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To: Steely Tom

#4 No wonder food in teflon coated cookware tastes funny : )
I will stick to stainless steel.

“Teflon can generate significant concentrations of HF if overheated (above 500°F)”


65 posted on 05/07/2022 12:01:58 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: fireman15

This is another reason not to get a electric car.
Imagine millions of batteries leaking in landfills or in your car.
Electric cars are a fire hazard and will dissolve you too : )

No wonder food in teflon coated cookware tastes funny : )
I will stick to stainless steel.

#6 “Teflon can generate significant concentrations of HF if overheated (above 500°F)”

FTA: A colourless liquid, hydrofluoric acid is highly corrosive – it can dissolve glass! – and is extremely toxic.


66 posted on 05/07/2022 12:10:03 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: fireman15

There must be a very high risk of contamination in the event of a severe automobile accident/impact that damages the battery: the potential for the stuff to be sprayed for some distance; not to mention the consequences of it coming into contact with hot surfaces.


67 posted on 05/07/2022 12:45:01 PM PDT by Mr Radical (In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.)
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To: pcpa
--"My father once got it on him in a lab situation and immediately used and indicator on it and then titrated it with a weak base"

Your father was quick thinking and probably had some very good training.

I worked in a large R&D lab, never knowingly near hydrofluoric acid.
But spend endless hours in safety classes for almost everything.

Some very nasty stuff.


68 posted on 05/07/2022 2:36:11 PM PDT by DUMBGRUNT ("The enemy has overrun us. We are blowing up everything. Vive la France!"Dien Bien Phu last message)
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To: sasquatch

Early on I worked with the fellow who was the engineer responsible for the tin plate line for IC packages. The acids were just sulfuric and nitric but he had kind of a casual attitude. Never got anything resembling a bad burn but one day he put his hands in his pants pockets and the pants totally disintegrated. So much for that pair of work pants.


69 posted on 05/07/2022 4:14:56 PM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: Boogieman

just be sure to put the body in a large plastic tub and not an actual bathroom enamel-coated iron tub ...


70 posted on 05/07/2022 4:24:18 PM PDT by catnipman (In a post-covid world, ALL "science" is now political science: stolen elections have consequences)
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To: NewHampshireDuo

Reminds me of a drilling project at the Tyrone mine in NM, around 1993. One site was adjacent to a dump where sulfuric acid solution was being applied with sprinklers. The mist was drifting over the rig all day, and everyone’s eyes were burning. When I washed the clothes I had been wearing, they just fell apart.


71 posted on 05/08/2022 6:30:19 AM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: NewHampshireDuo

At Intel, the safety demonstration included dipping chicken
parts in hot sulfuric. Came out blackened. After a few complaints it changed to a white cotton tennis shoe.
Same result.


72 posted on 05/08/2022 9:21:29 AM PDT by sasquatch
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To: catnipman

Not just any plastic tub either, it has to be the correct kind or it won’t fare any better than cast iron.


73 posted on 05/08/2022 1:17:56 PM PDT by Boogieman
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