[Bruce Campbells Chin]

Start with the West playing footsie with a former Soviet state, genius. That’s where the problem started. It’s no different than the Soviets putting missiles into Cuba. Had Kennedy invaded would you blame the USA for starting it? Come on.

Had we actually started putting nukes in Ukraine, the Cuba analogy might have some merit. But we didn't, so....

[libertarian66]

It’s inevitable. They join NATO they get missiles. Putin is pretty far-seeing including his own mortality. Having said that I want him to lose quickly. Too much risk of him starting a nuclear war. Give them Donbass and the Black Sea areas. Ukraine is best off free and neutral.