Posted on 05/02/2022 12:57:08 PM PDT by Jan_Sobieski
Sure as hell ain’t for the nazis with SS on their helmets who admire Bandera and the CIA and John McCain!
Article by Vladimir Putin ”On the Historical Unity of Russians and Ukrainians“
http://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/news/66181
Do your homework and get back to me.
OK, I'll bite. So you're saying that US policy during past wars is an example to be followed? I would respectfully disagree.
Never forget. Nina Jankyachain worked for Ukrainians ( probably still does) and taught them the game
So the U.S hunted down and arrested anyone who verbally opposed the Vietnam war or Iraqi war? Ignorant or lying. Which is it?
“They were also doing this before the war started.”
You must be referring to the separatists, who took up arms against their own country. I can see where that can get one arrested.
You completely missed my point.
Please re-read my post and get back to me.
“The right to disagree used to be part of the Constitution. Especially for individuals.”
There’s a big difference between simply disagreeing with your country (protected by First Amendment) and colluding with your country’s enemies against the interests of your country (could be treason).
“Ignorant or lying. Which is it?”
Ignorant on your part. First, neither Vietnam nor Iraq were legally wars for the US.
The last such war was World War Two and during the war there were numerous prosecutions for sedition most notably:
https://todayinclh.com/?event=the-great-sedition-trial-begins
“Ukraine has been a nation divided since their democratically elected President was deposed by a coup in 2014.”
Coup? The Ukrainian Parliament voted to toss Yanukovich (similar to an impeachment here in the US), and before a vote to convict and remove him was held Yanukovich beat feet back to Moscow with the aid and assistance of Russian Sptesnaz.
The problem is you make too much sense, and that gives the pro-Russia FReepers the fantods.
During an existential war it might not be nice but it is practical to arrest and detain people who openly support the other side because they’re on your short list of people who will aid and abet enemy action against you.
I assure you the folks in Moscow are doing the exact same thing.
Does it make it all better? No. But when you need all hands on deck to save your country then messing around with lofty discussions about civil rights borders on stupidity when the enemy you’re fighting wants you all dead.
If it makes you feel any better I’m shaking my head at the Ukrainian cops who are seizing guns from loyal citizens and militia in the middle of a war. I imagine they’re also busy issuing parking tickets to illegally parked T-72 tanks.
“Its funny how Russia is accused of “empire building” when Ukraine was part of Russia for 3+ centuries and is right on Russia’s borders and it merely asked that it not join a foreign military alliance”
Ukraine was never part of Russia. It was a territory of Russia’s and was denied the right to teach its own language, was promised independence repeatedly so long as it remain a vassal of Russia, and that promise was reneged upon each time, its people were starved to death by the millions, its peasantry sent into the gulag for being too prosperous, or bound to the land as compulsory serfs for much of those three hundred years, and even after finally gaining independence, its politics were meddled in by Russia. For good reason, the majority of Ukrainians voted for Independence. Despite 30 years of self rule, they are not yet a fully functioning democracy, true. In fact, they have had a very nasty war of secession brewing in the east for the past eight years, and Russia outright grabbed Crimea from Ukraine on false pretenses. Funny how Donbas, Donyetz and Crimea all have had oil recently discovered in them prior to the commencement of their respective hostilities.
The solution, however, is not to have Russia “merely ask” that Ukraine not join a foreign military alliance, if by “merely ask” you mean demanding that with troops massed on the border. Ukraine has its problems, democracy-wise, but CatherPutin is not “merely asking” anything. She is invading.
” That said, Sending your sons to fight in a potential Nuclear conflict with the Russians because of a Ukrainian Revolution is certainly your choice.”
I’ve got news for you: In a nuclear conflict you won’t have to send your sons anywhere, because the “big one” can reach out and touch them and you in your own backyard in Missouri.
And let’s not forget the Budapest Memorandum.
Any country at war would arrest people giving aid to the invading enemy.
You don’t think the US arrested people helping Japan and Germany in WWII?
That does make me feel better, but I wonder whether you would have been in favor of detaining Japanese-Americans in California during WWII, which was most certainly an existential crisis in the US.
“Why did we depose President Yanukovich?”
Put down your Russian talking points: We didn’t depose him.
The Ukrainian Parliament voted to toss him (similar to an impeachment in the US), but before it came to a vote to convict and remove him Yanukovich beat feet back to Moscow with the help of the Russian Spetsnaz.
Don’t tell the Putinistas but I tend to refer to Putin as “Pidor Putin” which translates from Russian roughly as “Faggot Putin”.
I also like the “CatherPutin” as I’m sure Pooty looks quite smart in a gown when he’s entertaining his more manly guests.
“Nazis at work. This is normal for them.”
Ah, again with the Nazi slander. So, if one wants to see Ukraine fight off an invader, one is a Nazi. Got it.
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