[algore]

I remember there were cloves back in the 80s

I think those were banned with far less deaths than may be attributed to mRna sticks

[EEGator]

They were around after the 80’s.
I remember having some. They crackled when you inhaled.

[ponygirl]

Obama mandated the ban on cloves in 2009. I remember the date because I was an occasional clove smoker. Sampoerna, in particular. He destroyed an entire economy in Indonesia with that ban. Curious, since that's where he grew up.

For a while I was able to get them on Ebay, but they kept chasing those guys off. I bought a huge supply and still have a few left, but once they're gone, that's it. Now they're going to hit the "flavored cigars," which is the only way you can get cloves now.

Why do they hate Indonesia so badly?