You were given primary sources and the words of the men who actually formulated the documents that flatly contradict your interpretation. This has been pointed out to you by numerous FReepers.
History disagrees with you. Deal with it.
It obliges “respect” for Uke borders and sovereignty.
It obliges that the parties involved go to the United Nations. Has that been done? Has the UN authorized any military action to be taken against Russia, or for arms to be delivered to the Ukraine?
If you want America to defend Ukraine via arms delivery or whatnot, go for it: take it through Congress and actually declare war against Russia instead of relying on a toothless document that does not oblige what you say it does.
Your willful sidling along a known troll and now coming in and trollfully stirring up shiite is setting you up to be treated as a troll.
A troll according to who? Oh, just you, the guy who keeps throwing out 'troll' accusations like they're candy.
You're the one acting more like a troll than anyone else on this thread.
I am finding your late-to-the-argument poison-moralizing to be quite loathsome.
For you to condemn anyone for "moralizing" is an obscene level of projection.
You were given primary sources
***Dude: It is a trolling technique. Say all kinds of troll responses and then once you’re identified as a troll, THAT’s when the guy started posting his wall-of-text bullshiite, and you came in at the end of it. You are propping up a troll and you have become a troll yourself.
and the words of the men who actually formulated the documents that flatly contradict your interpretation.
***By the time your @$$troll friend posted anything like that I had been ignoring him for a long time. You are propping up a troll at the tail end of him trolling, so buzz off.
This has been pointed out to you by numerous FReepers.
***As far as I can tell, only by you. Feel free to post a thread about whatever nonsense you’re trying to push on behalf of your new troll friend. I posted my own thread, you do it.
History disagrees with you. Deal with it.
***Uhh, more like just you disagree with me. I will deal with it.
Kevmo: It obliges “respect” for Uke borders and sovereignty.
US7: It obliges that the parties involved go to the United Nations.
***Well now, lookie here, another troll maneuver. Don’t address the original contention but just throw in contentions of your own. You really have gone down the troll path. Yes it obliges respect and an invasion is NOT respecting the borders, hence, it is a violation of the treaty. Yes the parties have gone to the useless UN.
Has that been done?
***Yes the parties have gone to the useless UN.
Has the UN authorized any military action to be taken against Russia, or for arms to be delivered to the Ukraine?
***Just within the last few days there has been a coalition of 40 countries setting things up to send weapons to Ukraine to fight Russia. The UN has not yet authorized military action because they’re incredibly slow and Ukraine would have been lost by now. Since this border dispute is covered in the UN NNPT and its Budapest Accession, you should be asking if the “UN authorized any military action to be taken BY Russia, or for arms to be delivered to the Ukraine at the murderous Bizness End?” But you aint asking those questions because of your a priori approach to this whole episode.
If you want America to defend Ukraine via arms delivery or whatnot, go for it: take it through Congress
***I believe it is being taken through congress and multiple $Billions have been allocated for it. So what is your point?
and actually declare war against Russia
***We didn’t even declare war against Vietnam nor Afghanistan. The last time we declared war was when it was an existential threat, ww2. Why is it that you are pushing things back to such a time? Oh, it is because of your a priori approach towards this whole thing.
instead of relying on a toothless document
***If it’s toothless to PREVENT an invasion by Russia then it’s toothless to STOP that 40-nation coalition from kicking Russia’s ass on Ukrainian territory. What’s toothless sauce for the goose is toothless sauce for the gander.
that does not oblige what you say it does.
***You’re all hooked on this lookin-for-obligation thing because you are stuck on stupid with your a priori approach towards foreign conflicts. You think “All foreign conflicts are none of our bizness so we should stay out of foreign conflicts” and then you proceed from there to look for obligations rather than simply doing the right thing. Russia invaded Ukraine. It’s a violation of that Budapest thing. Very simple reasoning. But it eludes you.
Kevmo: Your willful sidling along a known troll and now coming in and trollfully stirring up shiite is setting you up to be treated as a troll.
US7: A troll according to who?
***I follow the Free Republic DEFINITION, just like I follow the FR definition of conservatism. https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2165967/posts
Oh, just you, the guy who keeps throwing out ‘troll’ accusations like they’re candy.
***Sounds like a toothless definition, right up your ally. And you passed up the chance to moderate this particular dispute, showing where your intentions lie.
You’re the one acting more like a troll than anyone else on this thread.
***I’d say the same about you, Mr. latecomer-to-the-argument, but you aint in listenin’ mode.
I am finding your late-to-the-argument poison-moralizing to be quite loathsome.
For you to condemn anyone for “moralizing” is an obscene level of projection.