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To: ransomnote
#36. Russia started this war and they have not won. They are now retreating from Kyiv and moving to shore up their positions in the east. Those are facts which supersede all others. How those facts are reported and who reports them have no bearing on them.

The Ukrainian AF tweet also states what it needs to counter Russian aviation. Look at it as a shopping list instead of a admission of defeat. They want to get their hands on 4th generation aircraft, F-16s, F-15s, more and better surface to air missiles, S-300s and 400s, Patriots, NASAMS.

They are getting more weapons now, more Stingers, British Starstreaks (extremely good), and current anti-tank rockets and missiles. They need heavier weapons to carry the fight. Those weapons, Tanks, heavier SAMS, and fighters, take more time for governments to approve and deploy than man portable weapons.

The Russian air force has shown it is having the same problems as their ground forces. They are mostly using daytime operations, no coordination with ground forces, and limited use of guided weapons. That is fine for bombing cities block by block. It is not good enough when the enemy has comparable weapons to fight back. Russian aircraft are not going into areas covered by Ukrainian's medium and long range air defense missiles.

Ukraine is the size of Texas. Russia has shown poor ground control and airborne early warning needed to counter the Ukrainian AF. If Ukraine was going up against USAF AWACS, F-15s and F-16s, they would have been out of action in hours.

On the first day of the invasion Russia only fired a few cruise missiles at airfields, did not put one out of action, and called it a day. No matter their size or what they claim they are capable, how they are fighting is their actual level of competency and effectiveness.

61 posted on 04/08/2022 9:58:17 PM PDT by Widget Jr
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To: Widget Jr

It’s outright fantasy to suggest that Russia is losing to the Ukraine’s garage sale/potluck efforts to arm untrained citizens and train their pilots on gifted next generation jets. You are quoting MSM liars and traitors like they are gospel, despite the realities of modern warfare.


62 posted on 04/08/2022 10:14:56 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: Widget Jr
said, "They (Russia) are now retreating from Kyiv "
Northern Ukraine was never their objective. Any grammar school boy could explain the tactics involved here when Ukraine cut off their supplies to Crimea
64 posted on 04/08/2022 10:31:48 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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