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“Documents testifying to the plans of the Kiev regime to use unmanned aerial vehicles capable of carrying and spraying deadly substances” are of special importance to Russian authorities, according to military spokesperson Major General Igor Konashenkov during a conference.”

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First off, if a highly suspicious pathogen appeared first in Donbas and in Russia, who do you think the prime suspects would be? Ukraine it self, obviously, and NATO or the West. No?

Secondly, why would Ukraine want to release pathogens right in their own back yard?????

So I didn’t quite understand the excuse that they were ‘de-commissioning’ cold war bio labs, because why in the he11 would it take 30 years to do that? But still, this reeks of wartime propaganda conspiracy theory.


13 posted on 03/31/2022 9:56:55 AM PDT by z3n (Kakistocracy)
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To: z3n
Secondly, why would Ukraine want to release pathogens right in their own back yard?????

They were shelling the Donbas region since 2014. Using biological weapons would just be an escalation.

25 posted on 03/31/2022 10:37:55 AM PDT by wastedyears (The left would kill every single one of us and our families if they knew they could get away with it)
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To: z3n

“I didn’t quite understand the excuse that they were ‘de-commissioning’ cold war bio labs, because why in the he11 would it take 30 years to do that?”

It didn’t. That whole phase was done within a few years of Ukraine becoming independent, just like the nuclear containment work.

But the labs were not “decommissioned”, they were simply updated with US and European assistance to modern biosafety protocols, to guard against accidental leaks or thefts of biological samples. The worry at that time was that a pathogen could be released by negligence, or stolen by terrorists.

After that, there was some Western funding to those labs for research projects, under NGOs and other programs not related to the “non-proliferation” work. So that’s why the labs were still open 30 years later, because there was never any intention to close them in the first place. The West wanted to keep those Ukrainian scientists working in Ukrainian labs on civilian projects, rather than have them seeking work in other countries like Iran or North Korea.


31 posted on 03/31/2022 10:58:31 AM PDT by Boogieman
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If we were talking Chemical Weapoms, there is a strong and advanced 3rd/4th Gen Russian CW ‘Order of Battle’, but their use would be localized.

But this BIO WEAPON thing is pretty stupid, as the type needed to immobilize and kill would have to be far more deadly than a mild CV-19, or it wouldn’t immobilize and kill an enemy Army fast enough.

For those who have followed this stuff at a cursory level over the past decades, Russia arguably has been the world’s most developed Bio Weapon leader. Russia does possess multiple bio weapons capable of killing everyone, but this is precisely the problem.

*Just use a m tiny bit of critical thinking here —

#1. Ukranian societal order has been destroyed.

#2. With societal order completely broken, Ukraine has no means of mass orderly “vaccination or “inoculation” ability (assuming there even was a “vaccine”).

#3. If Russia were to even use one of their truly deadly Bio Weapons, the troops they have on the ground in UA would likely die, as their LOC’s have been significantly interrupted or broken, or vastly slowed down.

#4. If a Bio Weapon was to be used by either side (for those who have bought into this more recent Kremlin wartime narrative), it would crush all foreign aid workers, Ukrainian, and Russian Armies, then quickly jump into the EU and the entire Black Sea region, then globally.

#5. If the most evil empire the world has ever seen (a narrative many so called conservatives believe to be America) were to release such a necessary rapid acting deadly Bio Weapon, ALL the above factors apply, as there would be no way to “vaccinate” the world fast enough.

#6. Unlike the very mild designer CV-19 virus global leftist conspired to create, a bio weapon capable of ending all enemy forces in UA would go global, and likely wipe out hundreds of millions in a truly abbreviated time frame.

This is sheer kaka !

Do these weapons exist - yes, and for decades, and getting more advanced.

Would Ukraine (if they had one) or Russia use such a rapid killer Bio Weapon - only if they are willing to kill their own populations.

Is the US invested heavily into former Warsaw Pact WMD threat reduction - yes, with programs architected in 1985 under Reagan.

Have the “Bio” threat reduction programs been conspiratorially abused - yes, as we have seen in spades with leftist in control of the funding (ie DNC/Fauci)

However, unless everyone is supposed to die, what we are seeing right now is derived from the foallowing



Actual Threat and Background —

http://bwc1972.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/10/The-Soviet-Biological-Weapons-Program-and-Its-Legacy-in-Todays-Russia.pdf

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US Response To Actual CCCP BSL4 Bio Warfare Threat -

US direct funding of Russian BSL3/BSL4 Molecular Bio Programs (and it is in the Billions of Dollars $’s —

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK215956/

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_biological_weapons_program

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Reality

From 1989 to 1991, NON-CIS (non Alma-Ata signatory) countries, almost entirely within the former Warsaw Pact countries, suddenly had a large number of previous CCCP biological and chemical lab and production sites, stretching from Estonia in the North, all the way to Bulgaria in the South.

I have personally seen a number of them.

Just one example of repurposed labs —

*Beyer of Germany 🇩🇪 was a huge investor in several dozen former CCCP lab sites, which then in-turn employed thousands of then recent CCCP lab techs, and bio and chemical research scientists.

There are hundreds of corporations which have tried to make use of predominantly Warsaw Pact CCCP sites. In some cases, there are even modern Russian companies involved on foreign soil.

Since then, some have been closed, while others have been sold or streamlined, or facilities entirely repurposed.

Related Histories —

Fauci 2002 -
https://go.gale.com/ps/i.do?id=GALE%7CA87855114&sid=googleScholar&v=2.1&it=r&linkaccess=abs&issn=00368075&p=AONE&sw=w&userGroupName=anon%7E8cb17262

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While being arguably the world’s most prolific bio weapons R&D and producer, Russia has a history of deflection—

Georgia - 19 April 2018
https://www.codastory.com/disinformation/does-the-us-have-a-secret-germ-warfare-lab-on-russias-doorstep/

https://theintercept.com/2022/03/17/russia-ukraine-bioweapons-misinformation/

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No question —

Global leftist conspiracy and collusion (INCLUDING Putin) in creating and deploying CV19 — to end the Trump Economy, the Trump Presidency, and liberty, ENABLED Putin to Play American Conservatives Like a honky tonk piano over CCCP and former repurposed CCCP Bio labs theoughout the Warsaw Pact —

https://www-forbes-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.forbes.com/sites/zacharysmith/2022/03/10/how-russia-sowed-a-conspiracy-theory-about-us-bioweapons-in-ukraine/amp/?amp_js_v=a6&amp_gsa=1&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#aoh=16470777326762&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.forbes.com%2Fsites%2Fzacharysmith%2F2022%2F03%2F10%2Fhow-russia-sowed-a-conspiracy-theory-about-us-bioweapons-in-ukraine%2F


39 posted on 03/31/2022 2:03:02 PM PDT by patriotfury ((May the fleas of a thousand camels occupy mo' ham mads tents!) )
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