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To: Vision

Those were people from all over the country who voluntarily came to DC. There’s nothing I can see to indicate the government, other than a handful of people around Trump, was involved in anything other than surveillance on that score.


63 posted on 03/22/2022 5:47:55 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: babble-on
Congratulations, you're the only person in the world to know every member of the deep state, how they make decisions, and what will be the result of Durham's investigation.
68 posted on 03/22/2022 5:54:32 AM PDT by Vision (Elections are one day. Reject "Chicago" vote harvesting. Election Reform Now. Obama is an evildoer.)
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To: babble-on; Vision
"...There’s nothing I can see to indicate the government, other than a handful of people around Trump, was involved in anything other than surveillance on that score..."

Babble-on, nothing personal, I think you missed something. You should keep in mind the "Three Hop Rule" that applies to FISA approved surveillance.


  1. Any person who Carter Page communicates with may be legally surveilled. This includes the President, the Chief of Staff, the White House food services, the head of My Pillow, Inc., the White House Travel Office, the head of the RNC, and on, and on, and on.
    • For example, any person who communicated with by the head of the Republican National Committee (that Carter Page communicated with) in any way may be legally surveilled.
    • Every single person who ever communicated to anyone who ever communicated with the Head of the Republican National Committee may be legally surveilled.

  2. Any person who Trump communicates with may be legally surveilled. This includes the Secretary of Defense, the Secretary of The Treasury, Melania Trump, Donald Trump Jr., Devin Nunes, Rudi Giuliani, and on, and on, and on.
    • For example, any person who communicated with Donald Trump Jr. (that President Trump communicated with) in any way may be legally surveilled.
    • Every single person who ever communicated to anyone who ever communicated with the Donald Trump Jr. may be legally surveilled.


    You get the point. There could be tens of thousands of people who could be legally surveilled. LEGALLY. (And...keep in mind: This USED to be the "Four Hop Rule" not the "Three Hop Rule".

    Even the people who were most likely to abuse it (the Obama Administration) couldn't fight the change of the rule back in 2014 as much as they wanted to, because as you can guess, with the "Four Hop Rule", nearly tens of millions of people could be legally surveilled with a single FISA warrant and they figured even the dimmest of bulbs out there had that figured out.

    Is there anyone...Anyone...ANYONE ANYWHERE with even a single ounce of honesty, who doesn't see this being abused by the Left?

102 posted on 03/22/2022 7:57:55 AM PDT by rlmorel (The concept of a "cashless society" is simply a vector for the exercise of tyranny.)
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