Posted on 03/21/2022 5:44:54 AM PDT by logi_cal869
The picture in Eastern Ukraine is becoming clearer as the residents begin being able to talk openly about the key battleground in Mariupol.
Keep in mind, the western narrative about the battles in Eastern Ukraine are all framed around calling the Ukrainian military, spearheaded by the Azov battalions and the ultranationalists, as the good guys. Nothing could be further from the truth. According to increasingly obvious reports, coming from ordinary citizens in/around Mariupol, the Ukrainian army has been using them as human shields and keeping them from evacuating.
There is a lot of war fog surrounding the conflict, however, it is the absence of any pro-Ukraine army sentiment from the local residents that supports the evidence the Ukraine military (Azov Nazi battalion, supported by U.S. and NATO alliance) are actually the bad guys in this region. The eastern region conflict has been ongoing for years, with Russia supporting the residents and the Ukraine military attacking them.
The Russian army has been fighting the Ukraine military in/around Mariupol while the Azov battalions have kept the citizens captive. However, the Russians are now surrounding the Ukraine military and slowly clearing each of the surrounding villages allowing the formerly captive people to leave or seek safety.
At least in this part of the conflict, the U.S. and NATO alliance is supporting the brutality against Eastern Ukrainian citizens by supporting the Nazi factions of the Ukraine military. There is a genocide happening in this region, but it is the Ukraine military, the far-right ultranationalists in the Azov battalions and others doing the killing, not the Russians.
If the residents in Eastern Ukraine do not align with the ultranationalist factions of the Ukraine military and fight the Russians, they are subjected to gross human rights abuses, beatings and threats against their families. Western nations are supporting this activity and deploying extreme propaganda messaging to cover it up.
An actor always has someone telling them what to do.
The Russians are inside Ukraine. Fighting people who are fanatical about Ukraine.
Imagine that.
Sundance is blowing his credibility to smithereens over this.
Great point. Odd that it's taken this long for any of us to point that out (that I've seen).
Azov? They’re the good guys, right? WOLVERINES!!! ROCKY, ROCKY, ROCKY!!! /s
Yeah, imagine that. /s
On the contrary, Sundance is, once again, going against the tidal wave of mainstream media propaganda. it take a lot of bravery, and knowledge of facts, to do that
Sundance click bait fantasy
Complete BS. Anonymous author avoids the facts:
1-"eastern region conflict has been ongoing for years" was started by Putin, not "supported". Also, 50% of the Ukrainian army is composed of ethnic Russians who are enthusiastically fighting to oppose Putin's invasion.
2-"bad guys in this region": is the Russian invasion and bombardment of Mariupol. Even the Greek government has condemned the Russians for bombardment/killing of civilians, and calling them liars.
Greek Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis called the Russians liars and condemned them for shelling and killing 10 Greek civilians. He also said Greece would send Ukraine weapons.
“Orthodox bombs killed Orthodox expatriates,” said a spokesman for the Greek Foreign Ministry. “Remember this thing.”
“And what the Russian embassy said is fake news,” he said, adding: “We have evidence.”
Ten ethnic Greeks were killed in the Mariupol area of eastern Ukraine yesterday, specifically in Sartana and Buhas.
Although Moscow claims they were killed by the Ukrainian neo-Nazi Azov Battalion that operates in the area and killed an ethnic Greek as recently as two weeks ago for speaking Russian, Athens denied this allegation by saying it has evidence – that it is yet to present
https://greekcitytimes.com/2022/02/27/greece-defence-equipment-ukraine/
Moronic, to invade someones house and then complain about how you are treated.
It takes bravery. But sometimes, parts of the narrative are true.
I do not know what is happening in Mariupol completely.
But this is obviously true: Russian forces are destroying the city because they want to control it.
Ukrainian forces are fighting against the Russians.
The Russian military have never been known to worry about "human shields".
Maybe this time is different, but, historically it would have to be different.
Who will be our allies, the Aztecs or the Comanches?
OK Chad!
Plus civilians leaving can look forward to a search by Russian forces with the likelihood of any government employee or anyone with pro-Ukraine messages on their phones will be detained. Plus looting. Plus some of the "corridors" lead to Russia.
Some of the "war crimes" charges against both sides seem like nonsense to me, as you can't defend a city without putting civilians at risk and the Russians have few precision munitions, so area strikes by artillery or missiles are all they can do.
Good posting and carefully limited to Mariupol, but since Azov is fighting the Russians, we do need to look the other way regarding their war crimes against civilians. Yes we do. We really do.
“Sundance is blowing his credibility to smithereens over this.”
So are the civilians who manage to escape from Mariupol.
“the absence of any pro-Ukraine army sentiment” -
If you have absolutely no critical thinking capabilities and you’re blinded by some ideological interpretation then it’s no surprise if you only see what you want to see.
Don’t believe the MSM. Don’t believe the Twitterati. Don’t believe the Azov nazis. Don’t believe Zelenskyy. Fine!
Don’t believe the war correspondents shot on camera. Don’t believe the citizens. Don’t believe the live reports from inside and outside hospitals during the shelling... Getting into dodgy territory.
Do believe a handful of puff pieces of video from kind hearted Chechens because literally nothing else is credible, is that where you’re at?
Doesn’t it occur to you that there are mere handfuls of those pro Russian videos by pro Russian camera crews, just as there are equivalent films created by Azov... but even if all put together they count for less than 10% of all smartphone recordings from civilians in Mariupol? The vast majority of which aren’t taking either Russia’s or Azov’s side and are preoccupied with no food, water, safe shelter, medicines or safe corridors out of the battlefield.
Don’t you consider the possibility that while the Russian videos probably are genuine, Russia already made it totally unambiguous that they’re only going to protect compliant, pro Russian civilians?! So when any civilians are approaching Russian forces, they know the only way to avoid getting shot is to ham oneself up as a Putin worshipper who was being held hostage. They’re hardly going to say “I voted for Zelenskyy and your rockets took my entire apartment block out, Zelenskyy’s conscripts kept us safe for two weeks but we’ve had enough so heyyyy, no hard feelings if you can get me any my family the heck outa here.”
By all means take the Azov propaganda with a big pinch of salt, but be as sceptical about the propaganda from Putin’s troops. Both sides are only telling you what they want you to hear.
The best evidence why that’s worth doing is, anyone who fled north or west out of Mariupol with their passport and camera phone, still has both unless they dropped it. By contrast, anyone who left east to the Russian forces had to surrender those items.
“The Russian military have never been known to worry about “human shields”.”
They serve no value to the Russians, because the media would call that out. Same reason with Israel, where only the Palestinians can use human shields, even thought the Ukraine supporters also call Israel an ‘Apartheid State’ (and worse).
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