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The Last War of the Neocons
Taki's Magazine ^ | 14 March 2022 | The Z Man

Posted on 03/14/2022 7:09:40 PM PDT by arthurus

The history of Western man is the history of war, and no war looms larger in the West than the Peloponnesian War. Fought in the fifth-century BC between the Delian League, led by Athens, and the Peloponnesian League, led by Sparta, the war has come to define the two natures of the West. One side is the austere, efficient men of war and the other is the creative men of culture and philosophy.

(Excerpt) Read more at takimag.com ...


TOPICS: Books/Literature; History
KEYWORDS: agitprop; athens; chechens; chechnya; putinsbuttboys; putinworshippers; russia; russianaggression; thucydides; ukraine; zot; zottherussiantrolls
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To: nickcarraway

“Obama has always been team Putin.”

Does your computer not cover what happened between Obama/Hillary and Putin after 2012?

What has Biden done to “PROP UP Russia’s economy” (your words), and be specific please, and NOT things he didn’t do.


41 posted on 03/14/2022 8:48:12 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone.)
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Actually Xi was NEUTRAL when the war started. It wasn’t until we drove Russia into his arms did they start to work together.

Are you really that dumb, or are you being disingenuous? Xi was never neutral. He was supporting Russia before the invasion. It's well documented. The even consulted with Putin on the timing of the war.And if you think that China is so capricious that it would change it's position, you know nothing about China. Please explain how anything "drove China into his arms?.

Especially since Putin and Xi have been each other's closest ally for a long time. Do you think we are stupid?

42 posted on 03/14/2022 8:50:04 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

“Please explain how anything “drove China into his arms?.”

Never heard of SWIFT?


43 posted on 03/14/2022 8:53:20 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: BobL
Can you tell me when the United States declared war on Russia and invaded Russia, and how many of our military personnel are in Russia or the Ukraine?

Because you keep making these radically false equivalences.

I may not agree with the actions of the U.S. government, but there is no equivalence. Russia started a war, and so far the U.S. responded with words and diplomatic actions.

Whether I disagree with those actions or not, there is simply no planet in which "words and diplomatic actions" armored of a war than war is.

So, again, you are the neocon/warmonger/chauvinist, because you brook no criticism of your war, but you slam reactions far short of war as illicit.

So, you are the pro-war person, and you treat Putin as Allah.

44 posted on 03/14/2022 8:56:43 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

“I may not agree with the actions of the U.S. government, but there is no equivalence. Russia started a war, and so far the U.S. responded with words and diplomatic actions.”

So you would have supported poor Cuba if we attacked them in 1963, because WE started hostilities?

I guess that I see the problem here now.


45 posted on 03/14/2022 8:59:05 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: BobL

Stop evading, and come out and say it: Is Putin, “pure as the wind driven snow.” You’ve said your piece about the Ukraine, come out and say what you think of Putin/Russia. Are they pure, where Ukraine is tainted. Do you have ANY criticism of Putin/Russia? Stop playing Alinky games, and say what you believe.


46 posted on 03/14/2022 8:59:17 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

“Is Putin, “pure as the wind driven snow.” “

Putin is as pure as the wind driven snow as our US government is. Feel free to take that any way you want.


47 posted on 03/14/2022 9:02:41 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone.)
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The United States did not attack Cuba in 1963, did they?

But to sum up, you think the United States was the bad guy in 1963 and 2022. And Russia was the good guy in 1963 and 2022.

I actually don't think they are equivalent, but I think it's interesting that you always think the U.S. is the bad guy and Russia is the good guy.

48 posted on 03/14/2022 9:03:00 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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“The United States did not attack Cuba in 1963, did they?”

Yep, very good, we didn’t have to attack because the aggressor BACKED OFF and agreed to not pose a threat to us.

Something that didn’t happen with Ukraine.


49 posted on 03/14/2022 9:04:49 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone.)
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Biden freezes military aid to Ukraine after Putin summit as leaders plea for help (June 18, 2021)

How do you explain this sinc eyou claim Biden is pro-Ukraine and anti-Russia . Tis shows your whole contention is wrong, and Biden was giving Putin the all clear months before the invasion.

50 posted on 03/14/2022 9:07:58 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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Biden’s pipeline gift to Putin (May 19, 2021)
51 posted on 03/14/2022 9:09:03 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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Biden gives Putin a win with his indefensible decision to deny Ukraine fighter jets
52 posted on 03/14/2022 9:09:50 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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Biden uses false claim on Capitol riot deaths to blame it for Ukraine invasion
53 posted on 03/14/2022 9:11:09 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

“How do you explain this since you claim Biden is pro-Ukraine and anti-Russia”

If Biden was neutral, the $100M of military aid to Ukraine would have never been discussed.


54 posted on 03/14/2022 9:11:58 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone.)
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To: nickcarraway

“Biden’s pipeline gift to Putin (May 19, 2021)”

Did Biden mention Putin at the time? If not, it was nothing more than the idiocy of this Administration, in case you haven’t noticed.


55 posted on 03/14/2022 9:14:41 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone.)
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Never heard of SWIFT?

Biden fought tooth and nail to keep Russia in SWIFT. White House: Kicking Russia out of SWIFT unlikely to be in initial sanctions package

56 posted on 03/14/2022 9:15:05 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

“Biden gives Putin a win with his indefensible decision to deny Ukraine fighter jets”

So trying to avoid WW3 makes Biden neutral? Wake me up when he lifts the sanctions on Russia, then I’ll agree he’s neutral.


57 posted on 03/14/2022 9:16:35 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone.)
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Feel free to take that any way you want.

As yet another Alinskyte evasion. You can't come out and say anything about Putin, because you would be revealing your true motives.

58 posted on 03/14/2022 9:16:44 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway

“As yet another Alinskyte evasion. You can’t come out and say anything about Putin, because you would be revealing your true motives.”

He who is without sin cast the first stone.


59 posted on 03/14/2022 9:18:52 PM PDT by BobL (I eat at McDonald's and shop at Walmart, I just don't tell anyone.)
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Yep, very good, we didn’t have to attack because the aggressor BACKED OFF and agreed to not pose a threat to us.

Yes, you are right. Those brave, virtuous Russian stood up and achieved victory over the evil, cowardly Americans, right? Something that didn’t happen with Ukraine.

Hmmm, yeah, but that hurts your argument. Because if Biden and Obama (and Trump, for that matter) were so anti-Biden, they would have already prevented this.

Obama told Putin he could have Ukraine when he was president, and now the bill came due.

60 posted on 03/14/2022 9:19:56 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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