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Nigel Farage questions whether America has 'retreated' amid Russia-Ukraine conflict
Fox News ^ | Mar 1 2022 | Brooke Singman , Andrew Murray

Posted on 03/05/2022 4:44:44 PM PST by CondoleezzaProtege

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To: CondoleezzaProtege
The US is not here to save liberal European butts from their own stupidity.

They are worried about transgender rights and shutting down nuclear and coal, in favor of butterflies powering windmills. They fear their countries will be under water from global warming.

They have all the time and money in the world to chase after sheer stupidity as a “noble” value, and to castigate Trump, conservatives, and Christians, yet they run, begging for serious intervention, when their stupidity brings the chaos it was assured to bring.

Ukraine seem to think a 30 year old agreement protected them from taunting Russia, and they firmed up US protection by paying Hunter Biden and a former Romney aide, among other US citizens

I am not pro-Putin, but I am also not pro-Biden or pro-US direct involvement, either.

Stupidity, and crime, should hurt.

21 posted on 03/05/2022 6:28:21 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Sanctions are like shooting yourself in the knee to protest the school bully.

Politicians love them because they sound good—but they have a long track record of failure over decades and decades and decades.


22 posted on 03/05/2022 6:31:04 PM PST by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Sanctions are like shooting yourself in the knee to protest the school bully.

Politicians love them because they sound good—but they have a long track record of failure over decades and decades and decades.


23 posted on 03/05/2022 6:31:04 PM PST by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: cgbg

War is like shooting yourself, or your children, in the head.

I take it you prefer that over your own foot?


24 posted on 03/05/2022 6:33:43 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: CondoleezzaProtege

Biden is on Putin’s payroll.


25 posted on 03/05/2022 6:34:35 PM PST by Chgogal (Whatever Biden decides to do, do the opposite.)
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To: ConservativeMind

Sanctions are also to really get your enemy to become intransigent and to start wars.

Just ask the Japanese prior to WWII how US sanctions worked.

They finally got sick and tired of them and attacked Pearl Harbor.

Sanctions are just dumb—and a million words can’t make them wise.


26 posted on 03/05/2022 6:35:25 PM PST by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: Chgogal

The timing of this is suspicious, as if Biden needed something to cover for his failures.

Just as they needed something to take out Trump in the election year....enter COVID from China.


27 posted on 03/05/2022 6:35:30 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: unclebankster

[If Ukrainian blockheads can be “flipped” that easily, from NATO/EU/USA to a Russian ally.

Why do you care so much?

What are your intentions & motivations for this Eastern European stupidity?]


The way large numbers of Balts fought for the Nazis? The way Finns and Poles fought for Russia when the Tsar ruled their lands? This is pretty standard stuff. That’s why we get involved. People will flip to stay alive. If Russia or Germany had conquered Europe, we would be speaking Russian or German today. That’s the reality of being conquered - you serve your new rulers or die.

The Russians have a very simple way of doing guerrilla pacification:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circassian_genocide
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Lentil_(Caucasus)

If we’re going to start questioning motivations, I could equally question yours. But I won’t. The fact is that neutrality doesn’t work. Switzerland and Sweden were allied with Germany with all kinds of cozy secret deals. They avoided Allied bombs by not making it explicit. If there were any justice in this world, they would have been bombed to rubble during the war.


28 posted on 03/05/2022 6:36:32 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: Williams
Very well said. The Soviet model is to use Eastern Europeans as slave labor and cannon fodder.

And why do you think our borders are so wide open? It ain't because we're great humanitarians.

29 posted on 03/05/2022 6:36:52 PM PST by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: ConservativeMind

“I’d say sanctions are a reasonable way to “confront.”

Great,

Lets give public sector autocratic control freaks more power to destroy the agricultural, industrial, and financial sectors of the United States.

Virus Mania+ Eastern European Warfare, supply chain problems, and labor supply issues, will all be solved by “robots & magic.”(Sarcasm)

The proper position for US foreign policy is to let Russia & Ukraine finish their war, then cut a deal with “both sides.”


30 posted on 03/05/2022 6:39:23 PM PST by unclebankster (Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel)
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To: unclebankster

We have never enslaved a single Eastern European country, nor have we ever used them as cannon fodder.

But I’d like to address the fallacy of all these “what about when America does the same thing” posts.

Let’s take WW2 as an example. We did many things the Japanese did, attack countries and islands, bomb (even fire bomb) cities, sink navies. We even nuked two cities.

But see I’m on THIS side so I’m actually glad we defeated the Japanese. We did not lay down and scream “Please kill me for I have sinned”.

Saying “America did the same things” when our enemy attacks, is probably the most unpatriotic un American thing imaginable.


31 posted on 03/05/2022 6:41:18 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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Id ask what your point is but obviously there is none.

Letting people work or mooch here illegally is not analogous to attacking and enslaving them or their country.

That would be if we conquered Mexico to use its army to support us in a war against Russia. We don’t do that.


32 posted on 03/05/2022 6:44:45 PM PST by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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[Very well said. The Soviet model is to use Eastern Europeans as slave labor and cannon fodder.]


To be honest, this pre-dates the Soviets by any number of years. During Alexander’s campaigns, he conquered one polity after another. He committed numerous atrocities against the cities that chose to resist by fighting behind city walls instead of surrendering or facing him in the open on the battlefield - slaughtering the men and selling the women and children into slavery:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thebes#Destruction_of_Thebes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Persian_Gate#Aftermath

At every stage in his campaigns, his armies incorporated the people from the defeated kingdoms. It got to the point that he killed one of his closest aides, Cleitus, who was incensed over his use of Persian recruits.

The Brits conquered the Indian kingdoms, then incorporated their manpower into their armies. While 90%, the UK’s WWI casualties consisted of Brits, almost 10% were Indians.

Similarly, Genghis Khan’s armies incorporated a real polyglot mix of conquered peoples. In his vision, all men under Tengri would be Mongol. And his troops increasingly incorporated non-Mongols as his original force from Mongolia proper was whittled down through death, injury or old age. It got to the point that one of the alleged distant offshoots of his invading armies, Boris Godunov, became the Tsar of Russia.


33 posted on 03/05/2022 7:51:00 PM PST by Zhang Fei (My dad had a Delta 88. That was a car. It was like driving your living room.)
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To: cgbg

Do you believe Japan invaded China because China wouldn’t trade? That England started the Revolutionary War over that? That WW I or WW II was over that? That the Vietnam or Korean War was over that? That the Mexico-American War was over that? That the Cold War was over that? That the Civil War was over that?

It is daft to believe sanctions are responsible for wars. There are numerous reasons behind wars, and sanctions as a cause ranks near the bottom.


34 posted on 03/05/2022 7:58:26 PM PST by ConservativeMind (Trump: Befuddling Democrats, Republicans, and the Media for the benefit of the US and all mankind.)
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To: unclebankster
They're entering now. The Border Patrol is now apprehending Russians and Ukrainians at the southern border.
35 posted on 03/06/2022 12:31:16 PM PST by jmacusa (America. Founded by geniuses. Now governed by idiots. )
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