Europe’s wars have been pushing borders back and forth for over a thousand years, and they never needed our help in doing it.
It was only 100 years ago that Woodrow Wilson stuck our nose in where it didn’t belong, and the American people have paid the price ever since.
While the USA was spending it’s treasure and blood protecting the Euros, the Euros were building wealth and at the same time complaining about us.
Time for them to step up and handle things themselves. America can and should sit this one out.
BenLurkin I don’t agree with you but you make a perfectly reasonable argument for American isolationism that has a long pedigree. But your argument is not the argument I was asking people to talk about.
In my own opinion your argument is rooted in President Washington’s belief that we could safely sit things out in the security of our own country, separated by a barely crosssable ocean from Europe’s corruption and endless violence. I don’t think that was true in 1790 but I am highly confident it’s not true now. I think our choice now is between the US leading a world order or lunatics and evil people doing so in ways that pose a grave threat to us.
We held Afghanistan for several years with fewer annual casualties than a moderate weekend in Chicago. We thereby prevented it from being used as a fire base to attack the United States. I think that’s a sensible policy. It’s the reason the people who led us in WWII decided it was a good idea for the US to have bases in Germany and South Korea.
It may be bad and expensive. But the alternative is worse.
You and I, I suspect, could have a reasonable conversation about this without once asking what George’ Soros - whom I despise - thinks about anything.
“...Europe’s wars have been pushing borders back and forth for over a thousand years, and they never needed our help in doing it...”
For example... Poland’s history of seesaw martial conflicts is simply that it was good ground for cavalry engagements. Periodically the princes of Europe would have contests to test each others worthiness and tactical skills at the commoners expense.