At this point, I've gotten very tired of him getting on his hobby horse at every opportunity and recognize that he's not going to be convinced by any "facts, figures, or logic." At this point, dismissal and ridicule aren't uncalled for. If you seriously think he has a strong argument for his fantasy, then that is your own problem.
Here once again you are deliberately misstating my position. I am not trying to "defend the slavers." I am trying to point out that slavery is irrelevant to the larger issue at stake in this conflict, and that issue is the right to independence.
I point out that not only did the Northern states continue to have "slavers", but that they also voted to keep slavery going. (See Corwin Amendment.)
*THEREFORE*
They cannot claim slavery as an excuse for what they did.
I've gotten very tired of him getting on his hobby horse at every opportunity and recognize that he's not going to be convinced by any "facts, figures, or logic."
I can be convinced, but you aren't putting forth any relevant facts that show me my understanding is incorrect.
I point out to you the money connections to the powerful cartel that still runs our government to this day, and you dismiss it.
What I see from you is someone who simply doesn't want to believe you've been misled by people you long believed to be the "good guys."
As i've said before, I used to believe this too, but I kept stumbling across too many examples of facts that didn't make any sense in the context of the Northern states invading the Southern states because they were the "good guys."
The evidence indicates they didn't do it because they were good guys. The evidence indicates they did it because they were "bad guys." They did it to keep the money and power they had acquired as a result of their influence on the government.