Posted on 02/21/2022 6:23:03 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel
Agree completely. Turn was excellent; I really enjoyed watching it, even if it also took some (substantial) historical license.
Nah, noone hit it for me like Bostwick. Looks, manner, everything. The toughness and command presence was captured well.
I must not’ve been that awed by Morse because I don’t even recall it! Anyway looks like they gave him sideburns more than just dangling locks, a’la 1820. Not quite the right look. Too chinny and maybe too nosey too. (Can’t listen now because my hubby is doing a work meeting.)
You are right in your analogy. The communist indoctrination of the working man did it all and the leaders and risk takers were just along for the ride. It serves their propose to have people believe that and that todays élite will show the working class they way out. That way out includes giving up your rights for some safety and security.
“You Will Own Nothing and You Will Be Happy”
The only problem with your argument is that Washington was the greatest man.
I do recall Klintoon being on it. How embarrassing.
What this means is the libs are desperately trying to have their cake and eat it too. Mostly they disparage everything American EXCEPT Lincoln and the “Union”, but OTOH they want to cash in on love for great figures - just in case.
Heavens they should have conservatives on the shows.
I didn’t express it very well, but yes.
Makes me think it finally occurred to blacks that they could use the same mantra that “building”/manual labor is the end-all, be-all.
Long history of “working class” union propoganda in this country by now. Including the epithet “robber barons”. At least when applied to guys who got it done like Rockefeller and Vanderbilt, etc.
You can kid yourself all you want, but the war was far more complex than you indicate. Moreover, it was unnecessary. Follow the money.
That series was quite good.
Pure propaganda drivel.
The war was about slavery, and only slavery. The South knew it.
That’s why the Confederates put not one, not two, but THREE protections FOR slavery in their slimy anti-human constitution.
But keep lying to yourself.
Yes. Many accounts of his high pitch.
Answer me one question.
What was “the North” so worried about with the expansion of slavery supposedly into new territories?
Honestly, what concerned them? Besides the fact several Yankee states still had some slaves, what were they worried about having more “slave” than “free” states/territories?
Can understand some in the “South” were worried about their slavery being voted out if territories became free.
But what was “the North” losing if they lost territories, rather than being free? What was the South going to impose on the North if they had more electoral and congress votes?
Or is that kind of like the mask hysteria now? Pro-mask sheep scared they can’t wear masks because there are no mask mandates? What is the fear?
This is a very easy one. I suggest you start with Oakes’s book “Freedom National.”
In short, the legal and political definition of slavery by the 1840s was, in the north, it was a temporary condition of servitude on its way to extinction because . . . wait for it . . . slaves were PERSONS under the Constitution. There is no doubt in any quarter about this.
However, to the South, slaves were PROPERTY. (See Dred Scott)
The CW was in short a battle over which def would survive and triumph. Because if it was property, every Irishman and every immigrant who had come from serfdom-type societies would be exposed to slavery.
THIS IS IN ALL THE LITERATURE. It’s also in all the FOUNDERS arguments about the Revolution where they likened British government to the slavery of plantations.
If the DEFINITION of slavery as property went into the territories, it was only a matter of time before it began to intrude back into the free states. (Think abortion, and how the battle has been for 20 years on the fringes, and how it is a war of DEFINING life over property). There is no question that the overwhelming majority of people in the North who expressed any views of slavery thought that if slavery got into the territories it would soon be in OH, then NY.
Another way to understand this is “comity,” the ruling in Bank of Augusta v Earle, that states had to respect the laws of others, which meant slave PROPERTY would be brought into free states . . . which meant that sooner or later FREE PEOPLE would be responsible for maintaining slavery and capturing slaves. So, look at the Fugitive Slave Law, which was a NATIONAL attempt to force anti-slave people to support slavery as property. Think of abortion again. The ASL was the equivalent of making pro-lifers guard the doors of abortion clinics against opponents.
Pure unadultrated BS.
You simply are detached from the reality of the day. You haven’t read any of the pro-slave literature if you believe this.
Now, I’m done with your Confederate blather. The DemoKKKrats founded the Confederacy. They are the enemy, they are the pro-abort people and slavery WAS the abortion debate of the day. They are, and remain the party of death. If you are supporting the Confederacy, you are definitely supporting the evil party.
There is a very good new book out there on Lincoln’s melancholy.
I always prefer reading Lincoln in his own words, which are pretty clear.
It is the total Confederate analysis that is at odds with every piece of scholarship (i.e., what ALL of the pro-slavers themselves were writing).
*THEY all believed the war was about slavery. (See slavery put into the Confed constitution, not once, not twice, but three times).
*THEY had worked for 30 years to get NATIONAL/FEDERAL protection for slavery so they could extend it in the territories then backdoor it back into the North. (See “Freedom National,” a phenomenal and exhausting book on how they were trying to do this).
*Dred Scott constitutionally nearly got there by declaring slaves PROPERTY instead of PEOPLE. This was the endgame.
*Anyone arguing for the Confederacy at this point is arguing for the evil DemoKKKrat Party which birthed it.
Yeah ... Goodwin sullied her good name and fine reputation with that bit of folly.
Lincoln was a savior. No tyrant. Jeff Davis was a tyrant.
We have a great side by side comparison in “Crisis and Leviathan” where 160 specific points of comparison (taxes, confiscation, draft, government takeover of production) shows Lincoln’s north was VASTLY freer than the fascist Confederates.
First thing the fascist Confederates did was seize all PRIVATE GOLD.. Love it-—all the gold bugs rail against FDR when Davis was the first one to do this.
My interpretation of History Channel’s Lincoln was that its very one-sided and from a far-left perspective. Where were the opinions of less-liberal writers?
I was taught (before schools became centers of leftist indoctrination) the stresses causing the civil war were:
Tariffs and taxes, intercontinental railroad competition, uncompromising ideological views between the merchant and farmer classes, along with the slavery issues.
Did you ever wonder why the vast majority of citizens from the south, who owned either a couple of slaves are none, would take up such a bloody civil war? It was because a regional political group wanted to force its views on everyone else. The democratic solution would have been to persuade fellow Americans that its beliefs were immoral, rather than perceiving them as evil and in need of cleansing by bloodshed.
Slavery was dying because it was becoming too expensive, along with its undesirable moral issues. Mechanization, and the ability to hire free-workers with low wages made slavery unprofitable and undesirable.
In slave countries in South America, slavery died out within the next several decades, and may I add, without the need for bloodshed.
Sorry I missed your post until now.
Thoughtful.
Just watching the last installment now.
I’m sorry but it’s sad to see that apparently Indians (real) are being drawn into this POC view of the war. Indian accents speaking all about slaves. Just find it weird.
Definitely the 1-issue view of it on here. Never mind the socialists that are paraded on it, including Uhbama.
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