Posted on 02/21/2022 6:23:03 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel
Kicked their butts
Its okay. Good actor , voice is close to described.
Well done? Maybe the cinematography. But the history is just more reduction of the war to the simplistic narrative of slavery. Yes, of course slavery was a part of every secession document, but it was so much more complicated than that. We are all dumbed down by films like this. Lincoln was not the saint it depicts.
The Grant was pretty good.
Washington wasn’t bad. But, I’m biased since 1984’s mini-series. That wan thin pecker-nosed actor wasn’t anything like Washington (nor was fat Jeff Bridges), especially since Barry Bostwick stamped himself in my mind for 30 years.
Did you get a a load of the black woman telling us about that “every secession document” point, and also “I don’t care what anyone says it was all about slavery!”
Tim Burton seems to find a way to take the outlandish, and somehow make it watchable to a degree.
So is the voice described as higher? One man’s comments implied so but I wasn’t sure.
If so than another myth smashed….that he was deep-voiced.
No. I’ll watch nothing that’s based on Doris Kearns Goodwin’s writings.
I really liked Beetlejuice back in the day.
He sure like Johnny Depp.
Great president, he put 15,000 in jail for disagreeing with him. Ottawa could use a man like that.
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Protecting big wealthy elite industrialists in the Northeast who funneled all Southern export production through their own businesses and their own pockets with a healthy cut for Washington DC.
The War was about money, not slavery. This is why Lincoln supported the Corwin Amendment but would not budge on the South trading directly with Europe instead of going through his corporate buddies in the Northeast.
Slavery could not "expand" to new territories. You could not grow cotton in any of the territories, and that was the absolute primary usage of slaves in that era.
The claim that it would "expand" was a lie meant to scare people. What they were really afraid would "expand" was the possibility of states coming into the Union that would be allied with the Southern states, and therefore help them repeal the corrupt and unfair laws that had the Southern states paying 72% of all the taxes.
The "expansion" claim was just a political lie and people are still swallowing it today.
When I saw the trailer that shows some blacks talking about how they built the country I figured it wasn’t worth watching.
No it wasn't. It was part of 3 of them. Four if yous stretch a bit. But the other 7 out of 11 states did not mention slavery as a motivation.
Virginia (the most important state) says they seceded because the Federal government had become tyrannical when it called for an army to subjugate the other states.
The war was not about slavery. The Corwin amendment proves that. The war was about the South trading directly with Europe without Washington DC and the Northeastern robber barons getting their cut of the deal.
Anyone who wants to know about Lincoln should read Michael Burlingame’s superb 2 volume biography.
It’s outstanding. Might be the finest biography I’ve ever read.
You can kid yourself all you want, but the war always was about slavery no matter how many other causes were ascribed to it. It was first and foremost caused by it, fought about it and we’re still dealing with the repercussions of it.
This is the most absurd “analysis” I’ve ever heard as to the cause of the war.
It wasnt about slavery in the north.
SERIOUSLY? You mean the Ken Burns propaganda series? STOP WATCHING CRAP LIKE THAT, and read ACTUAL SOURCE DOCUMENTS. Lincoln was a freaking tyrant who turned terrorists like Sherman and Grant against the Southern people, who only wanted to be independent of the Yankee empire that had turned its back on the Constitution (still has).
Perhaps but exactly what could Lincoln do in regards to the new territories and the decision on whether free or slave or choice? Heck I think he was a lawyer when that passed.
We must also remember, that by the time Lincoln took office the south had already succeeded. Much based on what they thought Lincoln might do, not what he had done.
While slavery and states rights ect were certainly a part of our civil war, dig deep and you will find the high European financial powers dirty fingerprints all over it. 25 years earlier we had rid ourselves of the second national bank and since then we were doing well, without the central bank, while expanding westward. This was something the central bankers could not allow.
Take this quote from Otto Von Bismark, the man that would a few years later unite Germany:
“The division of the United States into federations of equal force was decided long before the civil war by the high financial powers of Europe. These bankers were afraid that the United States, if it remained as one block, and one nation, would attain economic and financial independence, which would upset their financial domination over the world.”
Within months of Ft Sumpter the bankers loaned Napoleon III of France 210 million franks to invade Mexico and station troops along our southern border. At the same time England parked 11,000 troops on our northern border and put their fleet on war alert.
Lincoln was in a tough spot, much tougher than most realize. Saving the union, at this time in our history, stretched well beyond the north/south dispute. Had we stayed fragmented we may well have fallen piecemeal.
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