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To: whitney69

Why is it that you want foreigners to be eligible?
That is the opposite of what the founders intended.

John Jay to George Washington:

“Permit me to hint, whether it would be wise and seasonable to provide a strong check to the admission of Foreigners into the administration of our national Government; and to declare expressly that the Command in Chief of the American army shall not be given to nor devolve on, any but a natural born Citizen.”

The children of foreigners ARE foreigners, even if we foolishly give them citizenship.

The singularity of nationality is what the founders were requiring.


102 posted on 02/13/2022 1:27:30 PM PST by Lurkinanloomin ( (Natural born citizens are born here of citizen parents)(Know Islam, No Peace-No Islam, Know Peace)
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To: Lurkinanloomin

“Why is it that you want foreigners to be eligible?”

Eligible for what, citizenship? I didn’t make the rules concerning the birth rights, they are in the Constitution.

The Citizenship Clause is the first sentence of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution, which was adopted on July 9, 1868, which states:

Fourteenth Amendment, Section 1: All persons Born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Additionally, The Civil Rights Act of 1866 granted U.S. citizenship to all persons born in the United States “not subject to any foreign power”.

Problem is the born thing. If a person is born on US soil, he/she is a citizen. Their parents or sisters and brothers may not be, but the one being discussed is. And that one is elibible for the position of the POTUS and VP. Just by being born on US soil, they are granted that by law and the Constitution as stated above. It isn’t me wanting foreigners to be eligible. It’s the law defining they are in this situation of birthright.

So from 1789, the Declaration of Independence, to 1866-68, the civil rights act and the 14th amendment of the Constitution, there was no definition of who could be president based upon age, time in the country, or birthright.

And there were 8 presidents that were not born in the US before the US was a country:

They were all born BEFORE 1776, meaning they were born before the “United States” existed.

(George Washington born 1732)
(John Adams born 1735)
(Thomas Jefferson born 1743)
(James Madison born 1751)
(James Monroe born 1758)
(J.Q. Adams born 1767)
(Andrew Jackson born 1767)
(William Henry Harrison born 1773)

So without the fourteenth amendment of 1868, and the civil rights act law of 1866, the birth right of the current priorities of the two offices were not in existence. So where they were born or how long they were here had no bearing on the job.

But my problem with the CR act of 1866 is that it doesn’t determine the subjectivity of a person with a foreign nation. That should disqualify any duel citizen people trying to become POTUS or VP as they display an obligation to a foreign country. Obama is a duel citizen, and as far as I know, the only president post the 14th amendment and the CR act that is/was. But that is overlooked I guess as the born right is the one that is ever discussed. A legality maybe, but it exists.

wy69


103 posted on 02/13/2022 3:22:28 PM PST by whitney69
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