Posted on 02/04/2022 9:37:45 AM PST by Jan_Sobieski
Ooops.
well there goes the current CDC narrative.
what’s the going to be the new purpose of vaccination?
There has been more government disinformation, misinformation actually believed by the people, than on any social platform out there. It’s incredible. So much propaganda that people are getting into fights, people are trying to get each other banned, people are banning themselves! This is psychological warfare on a mass scale all perpetuated by a mad scientist’s demand for conformity to dogmatic views.
Having said that, viruses are gonna virus. Darwinism. They will mutate. If we actually did come up with a vaccine that attack the S-protein and that prevents serious illness that would be a utilitarian good. But again, Darwinism. The virus will mutate and those that can escape the vaccine immunity by altering its S-protein will thrive in vaccinated hosts. That’s where we are at now, IMO. Just looking at the numbers, it may still be too early to tell, but cases have tripled or quadrupled from the peak with Omicron, but deaths have not (yet) gone up proportionally. I pray they don’t. But anyone who wants to say it’s because of vaccines is an idiot. It may be. Or it may be that the mutated omicron S-protein is just not as good at binding with the ACE2 receptors so infections in the hosts don’t spread as wildly and fewer people get really sick and die as a proportion to cases. But again, given that Omicron is only what six weeks from first discovery and the 1 million cases a day is only one week old... we’ll have to wait and see. Anecdotally we can say Omicron appears to be less deadly. Anecdotally we can also say that a regimen of IVM+ or HCQ+ given early also makes the disease less deadly. Discussion and investigation of any of these topics should never, ever be taboo in science.
If not for people getting vaxxed, this mess would have ended a year ago.
This can’t be right.
Even as our health authorities now concede that the vaccines are not guaranteed to protect from Covid infections, they still tell us that even if infected, your illness will be MILD and you will be absolutely protected from death from Covid.
Either something isn’t kosher ( pun intended ) in Israel or our health authorities are wrong.
Profit, political power, maybe a little mad scientist tinkering or population control.
The problem is the article lumps (for instance) 25 year old healthy people who didn’t get vaccinated with 85 year old diabetics who got triple vaccinated. Unless you break the data down into age/BMI/other co-morbidities, you can’t get a real picture of what is going on.
I guarantee you can’t find an age group over 60 of similar body types that does better unvaccinated than vaccinated. (Happy to be proven wrong.)
And it depends on which articles you read:
On Jan 22, there were 13 very severe cases in which the patients are on ECMO (extracorporeal life support) machines – 100 percent of those patients were not vaccinated.
I don’t care which group you’re in— but don’t be too confident you’re in the “safer” group, just because of what is posted here.
That didn’t take long 🙄
Gotta keep that mantra going no matter what!
Another stupid article.
So 90% are vaccinated and 10% are not.
And of all the serious cases 70-80% are from the 90% that were vaccinated, while 20-30% come from the 10% that were not vaxed.
So if you accept the numbers of the article you are about 3.75 times more likely to end up in the hospital if you are not vaxed. (30/10)/(70/90) And it’s probably significantly higher for the segment of the population most at risk.
This is proof that the vax works rather well, not that it doesn’t work.
I wish freepers would stop posting these type of ignorant and totally biased articles (our side can be as willfully biased as the other). It doesn’t do our side any favors when lazy and misinformed freepers go regurgitate this crap to all their acquaintances, and end up looking like fools.
It’s OK to be anti vax mandate and accept the reality that shows more and more that the vax does work rather well at reducing serious complications. You then make your own choice based on the data at your disposal and however you want to interpret it.
Reality will take care of the rest.
“...proof that the vax works rather well...” For most people that CHOOSE/CHOSE to be vaxxed. Some remain “NON GMO” for various reasons.
The funniest part is how they admitted it, with that quick reply 😂
Your post was like a light, to the moths.
Whatever way you crunch the numbers, the bottom line is that of 100 Israelis hospitalized because of COVID, 80 were vaccinated and 20 were not vaccinated, and the 80 were not supposed to be in the hospital because of the efficacy of the vaccine.
“For most people that CHOOSE/CHOSE to be vaxxed. Some remain “NON GMO” for various reasons.”
I have zero problems with that - and it has nothing to do with whether it works for a general population, especially those most at risk.
That is becoming more and more apparent as real life data comes in.
The two are separate issues. One is a personal preference, the other is reality. What people want to do with that knowledge, it’s their choice. But let’s not delude ourselves that because I choose to not take it for whatever reason, that it therefore doesn’t work.
“Whatever way you crunch the numbers, the bottom line is that of 100 Israelis hospitalized because of COVID, 80 were vaccinated and 20 were not vaccinated, and the 80 were not supposed to be in the hospital because of the efficacy of the vaccine.”
Pure BS. Nobody said the vaccine is perfect, only that it SIGNIFICANTLY REDUCES your odds of getting seriously ill.
So because it’s not perfect, it’s no good?
I’m curious, if I told you, and real life data showed, that your odds of getting seriously ill are 5 times greater if you don’t take the vax, would you still not get vaxed?
And if not, why not?
Or put another way, if you had a heart attack and went in for open heart surgery and the doctors told you that 20% of the people don’t make it, would you have that operation?
Since the vaccine does such a good job, no one who was vaxxed should be in the hospital.
Try to keep up. The clot shots are not “vaccine” by definition. The mRNA soup is gene therapy and is poison. The thing that went wrong is that way too many people got adverse reactions earlier than planned. There is no way you can call a shot that contains graphene oxide a “vaccine” and expect it to have desirable immune resistance.
Preventing serious illness wasn’t the goal. That only came about when they found the vaxx did nothing. The goal was preventing covid
It doesn’t do our side any favors
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Translation: it doesn’t do me any favors. Don’t speak for me
why do any vaccinated Israelis have serious cases requiring hospitalization?
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Israelis were vaccinated with inferior vaccines.
Israelis were vaccinated with inferior vaccines.
Yep....the Pfizer $hots, along with ModeRNA, are inferior....to any and all TRADITIONAL vaccines. And, much more hazardous, as well.
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