A Cosmic Airburst May Have Devastated a Vast Native American Culture 1,500 Years Ago

#25 Some 1500 years from now she will be found in that pit.
Researchers will think she was a religious sacrifice....

maybe she is hiding her figure for the photo

Some time ago SC posted information that as a result of draining the Iraq marshes, a 2000 bc crater had been discovered. There seems to be a lot of termoil in the Middle East around 2000 bc. Perhaps the black mat layer you reference belongs to that same calamity that hit Iraq. There were no doubt many fatalities in the entire area surrounding that crater, which if I remember was quite large.

Not if it was over North America. They certainly did notice the long term atmospheric effects dimming the sun and the moon for 18 months, causing crop failure, starvation and possibly Justinian’s plague as hungry rats migrated and became ill from malnutrition and fleas.

Unfortunately the typical accumulation of human greed, callousness, etc. hasen’t done a thing to stop Pfizer, Bill Gates, etc. or cause their collapse. YET?

Maybe, but a meteor/comet/bolid strike in Iraq big enough to flatten and fry a couple towns in northwest jordan —would have also been big enough to flatten and fry the rest of israel and jordan. That didn’t happen.

The dates for abraham leaving Ur in what is today southern iraq was around 2000 bc or the time of the comet/meteor stike you refer to.

The story of sodom and gomorrah takes place around 1700-1800 BC

my understanding is that there was a big civilization die off from mesopotamia to egypt that killed off the ancient sumerians and old egypt. that took place over a 200 year period from 2200 -2000 bc. that’s generally attributed to drought. but its easy to imagine that a comet strike could have contributed to the downfall.

Something similar happened in the late bronze age about 1200 bc when kingdoms and empires all over the middle east collapsed. archaeologists point to several factors that did them in from earth quakes, drought and raiders.

Wow, that was a while back [rustling noise] it's around here somewhere... I think it's a post in a related topic, rather than a topic in it's own right. Paper author was, hmm, Prouty? The keyword to check (you'd have to check each topic, starting with oldest first) is curseofagade".

Probably in more than one of these.

Mesopotamian Climate Change (8,000 Years Ago) [02/15/2004]
Drought That Destroyed A Civilisation [11/16/2003]
The Dark Ages: Were They Darker Than We Imagined? [06/08/2003]
Meteor Clue To End Of Middle East Civilisations [06/08/2003]
Dawn Of American Religion Found (2,250 BC) [04/14/2003]
An Impact Event in 3114BC? The beginning of a Turbulent Millennium. [01/03/2003]
Evidence for Major Impact Events in the [09/04/2002]
The Law Code of Hammurabi. (Complete Translation) [08/27/2002]
Comets,Meteors & Myth: New Evidence For Toppled Civilizations And Bibical Tales [08/11/2002]
Deconstructing the Walls of Jerico [06/22/2002]
Archaeologists Unearth 1,700 Year-Old Canal System Near Lake Okeechobee (Florida) [06/07/2002]
Meteor Clue To End Of Middle East Civilisations [01/03/2002]
Disaster That Struck The Ancients [12/08/2001]
Comets, Meteors & Myth: New Evidence for Toppled Civilizations and Biblical Tales [11/13/2001]
Slam, bang, thanks Saddam: new meteor theory [11/05/2001]

I tried entering curseofagade which has a lot of interesting posts. Then I entered Iraq Marshes, and found a piece I had written and posted a month after I first joined FR in Dec. 2005. The articles you list in the next comment are all written or posted well before in joined FR. Also I remember you SC specifically posted the article that referenced discover of a large bolide crater found in the drained marshes and about 2000 bc. Here is what I posted then, I haven:’t explored what has happened since to the marshes.

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1557199/posts

This hopeful article from August 2020 describes the Marshes after 3 years of water recovery following 4 years of drought.
https://www.positive.news/environment/how-a-disaster-zone-in-iraq-became-a-conservation-success-story/

This link from 2021 has a good map showing the extent of the marshes in 1979, and 40 years later in 2019. Saddam started action against the marshes during the Iran Iraq war of the 1980’s but greatly increased it after the 1991 Gulf War ended. [My son served in that war with the 82nd Airborne from a few days after the initial invasion of Kuwait to April 1992. Subsequently he entered Special Forces and did 2 tours in Afghanistan.] At any rate it is good to see substantial progress from a time when the marshes were over 90% destroyed.
https://reliefweb.int/map/iraq/restoring-marshlands-iraq-ecosystem-under-threat-01062021

This is one of several articles I found while Goggling Iraq Marsh Crater. In addition to explanation of how such a bolide strike might have impacted Middle Eastern civilizations, it also mentions the possibility of more worldwide strikes causing multiple strikes in Argentina, identified in another article as the Rio Cuarto crater field.

https://www.downtoearth.org.in/news/cosmic-collision-17290

I thought they drained the marshes to drive the people who lived there out, so they could drill for oil............

Saddam destroyed the marshes because opponents were hiding in them. THere may also have been interest in oil exploration, but depriving enemies of a sanctuary was the main reason.

The Roman empire withered away more than two hundred years before the Mohammedans.

“so they could drill for oil............”

Don’t know about that but having driven all over southern Iraq I can tell you I never saw a drilling rig. However, oil bubbles out of the ground in many places and contaminates ground water and salt mining operations.

Imo the only reason the oil fields are in the north and south is because the British wanted production near export terminals for security purposes. The country is rife with oil deposits. Tribalism makes it unrecoverable.

The Hopewell worked copper.

They produced some beautiful copper artifacts, and yes, instruments. They were known to make copper pan flutes, etc.

The researchers estimate that the event took place between 252 and 383...

A bunch of keywords, including dendrochronology and Milvian Bridge, sorted, duplicates out:

New research suggests drought accelerated empire collapse (Hittite) [02/09/2023]
What Happens If A Star Explodes Near The Earth? | | [11/24/2022]
Gigantic radiation storms have been pummeling Earth for at least 10,000 years and could strike again, tree ring analysis reveals [10/27/2022]
Strange Long-Lasting Pulse of High-Energy Radiation Swept Over Earth [10/17/2022]
Scientists Say a Shipwreck Off Patagonia Is a Long-Lost 1850s Rhode Island Whaler: Tree Rings Help Identify Remains Some 10,000 Miles From Home [09/04/2022]
Ancient [7176 BC] ice reveals powerful solar storm during Sun's "quiet" phase [01/28/2022]
Natural Plutonium Discovered Beneath The Oceans Shows Cataclysmic History [05/28/2021]
Statue of Roman emperor Constantine reunited with its finger after 550 years by Capitoline Museums in Rome [05/01/2021]
In 774 AD, the Sun blasted Earth with the biggest storm in 10,000 years [01/08/2021]
Far-Off Supernovas Caused Climate Change on Earth, According to Tree Rings ... How is that even possible? [11/16/2020]
We Now Have Proof a Supernova Exploded Perilously Close to Earth 2.5 Million Years Ago [10/05/2020]
A Supernova Exploded Dangerously Close to Earth 2.5 Million Years Ago [10/03/2020]
Solar System is Traveling through Cloud of Supernova Debris: Study [08/25/2020]
Rare medieval sword and artefacts from first Piast Dynasty found fully intact at bottom of lake [08/22/2020]
Modern science reveals ancient secret in Japanese literature [04/06/2020]
Tree rings could pin down Thera volcano eruption date [03/30/2020]
Dendrochronological evidence for long-distance timber trading in the Roman Empire [12/26/2019]
October 28, AD 312 ~ Constantine defeats Maxentius at the Battle of the Milvian Bridge [10/28/2019]
May 22, AD 337 ~ Death of Constantine the Great, as recorded by Eusebius Pamphilus [05/22/2019]
Ice cores reveal huge solar storm struck Earth around 660 BC [03/12/2019]
Constantine -- Military Hero and Christian Emperor [02/27/2019]
Do you like Earth's solid surface and life-inclined climate? Thank your lucky (massive) star [02/12/2019]
Researchers consider whether supernovae killed off large ocean animals at dawn of Pleistocene [12/11/2018]
Santorini volcano explosion dates changed: Piece of olive tree found on Thirasia changes everything [10/22/2018]
Dating the Ancient Minoan Eruption of Thera Using Tree Rings [08/16/2018]
New Technique Provides Accurate Dating of Ancient Skeletons [06/21/2018]
Study: Radiocarbon Dating Inaccurate in the Holy Land [06/19/2018]
Imperial villa found near Milvian Bridge [06/17/2018]
Unusual climate during Roman times plunged Eurasia into hunger and disease [04/15/2018]
Did Abraham Lincoln sleep here? [02/11/2018]
Our Solar System Was Born in the Bubble Created by the Death of a Giant Star, Say Scientists [01/12/2018]
Earth Barraged By Supernovae Millions Of Years Ago, Debris Found On Moon [12/16/2017]
Did a supernova two million years ago brighten the night sky and give our ancestors cancer? [06/17/2016]
Supernovae showered Earth with radioactive debris [04/06/2016]
Over A Thousand Years Ago, The Sun Exploded -- And Changed Life On Earth Forever [11/16/2015]
777-Year-Old Tree Is a Babe in Muir Woods (Tallest Tree AT Muir Woods Not 1500 Yrs Old, Study Shows) [06/01/2015]
Origins of Mysterious World Trade Center Ship Revealed [07/29/2014]
Greek Island of Santorini Volcano Erupted in 16th Century [03/22/2014]
Violent Past: Young sun withstood a supernova blast [10/27/2013]
Hubble boffins: Incredibly old supernova could explain EVERYTHING [04/05/2013]
Solar proton event seen in paleo records (Carbon 14 in Tree Rings) [03/15/2013]
Rare Roman coin found in Acle only the second of its kind [02/09/2013]
Did An 8th Century Gamma Ray Burst Irradiate Earth? [01/21/2013]
Researcher points to Sun as likely source of eighth-century 'Charlemagne event' [12/12/2012]
Wet climate may have fueled Mongol invasion [07/20/2012]
Sky 'Crucifix' in Ancient Text May Be Mystery-Solving Supernova [07/01/2012]
The Cosmic Story of Carbon-14 [06/05/2012]
Mysterious radiation burst recorded in tree rings [06/04/2012]
UA scientists find evidence of Roman period megadrought (in US, not Rome) [11/04/2011]
Fall of Rome Recorded in Trees [01/18/2011]
Ancient Tree (Almost) Older Than Dirt [ 5,000 to 30,000 years old ] [12/23/2009]
Proof Global Warming has Been Fraud All Along? [11/20/2009]
Ancient supernovae may be recorded in Antarctic ice [03/03/2009]
How Old Tree Rings And Ancient Wood Are Helping Rewrite History [10/28/2007]
Creating Elements after BB: Where did the Supernova's Go?(Vanity) [02/15/2007]
Emperor's Treasures Found (Maxentius) [01/31/2007]
Rome's Palatine Hill shows new treasures [01/23/2007]
Emperor Maxentius insignia found in Rome [12/03/2006]
Space Impact 'Saved Christianity' [11/12/2006]
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Olive branch solves a Bronze Age mystery [04/28/2006]
ARCHAEOLOGY: New Carbon Dates Support Revised History of Ancient Mediterranean [04/27/2006]
Scholars Unearth Mystery (Romans) [02/19/2006]
It Came from Outer Space? [11/25/2004]
Supernova debris found on Earth [11/24/2004]
Astronomy Picture of the Day 05-23-04 [05/23/2004]
Theory Proposes New View of Sun and Earth's Creation [05/20/2004]
Did a gamma-ray burst devastate life on Earth? [09/24/2003]
The True Cross (Separating Myth From History) [07/16/2003]
Space Impact 'Saved Christianity' [06/25/2003]
'Asteroid Impact Could Have Prompted Constantine's Conversion' [06/18/2003]
The day the sky fell in [02/24/2003]
Satellites Pinpoint Stands of Old Trees [11/17/2002]
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Supernova "Smoking Gun" Linked To Mass Extinctions [01/09/2002]
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