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A Cosmic Airburst May Have Devastated a Vast Native American Culture 1,500 Years Ago
https://www.sciencealert.com ^ | February 3rd, 2022 | David Nield

Posted on 02/03/2022 6:16:15 AM PST by Red Badger

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Not the first time:

The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes: Flood, Fire, and Famine in the History of Civilization
The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes:
Flood, Fire, and Famine
in the History of Civilization

by Richard Firestone,
Allen West, and
Simon Warwick-Smith


21 posted on 02/03/2022 8:19:28 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...
Thanks Red Badger, nice twofer.

22 posted on 02/03/2022 8:21:56 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Red Badger; 75thOVI; Abathar; agrace; aimhigh; Alice in Wonderland; AnalogReigns; AndrewC; ...
Thanks Red Badger, nice twofer.



23 posted on 02/03/2022 8:22:00 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: JudgemAll

Uh, no.

The big old Mo lived from 583 to 609, Odoacer ended the western Roman empire in 476.


24 posted on 02/03/2022 8:26:01 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: Red Badger

Dig a pit in the ground, three guys put the only girl there in it.

The internet has corrupted me for all time I think...


25 posted on 02/03/2022 8:46:16 AM PST by Abathar (Proudly posting without reading the article carefully since 2004)
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To: Red Badger

There is a phenom of asteroids/comet bits coming into the atmosphere on a regular basis (~1/yr) and exploding before contact. This has been witnessed by plane passengers — must have created a run for the toidy.
Anyhoo, they detonate with the force of a small nuke. But, large enough to be recorded on seismic instruments. I think the name is bolides.
If one blew overhead and dropped hot bits all over the area of YOUR main settlement, I think everyone would disperse before GAWD dropped another one.


26 posted on 02/03/2022 8:49:03 AM PST by bobbo666 (Baizuo)
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To: Beowulf9
If it impacts the Earth's atmosphere it's no longer "out there", it's "right here". Tunguska in 1908 is an example of what such an event looks like, that one within the 20th century and, fortunately, over one of the least inhabited land areas of the planet.

The disappearance of the "Mound Builder" Culture, named Adena here in Ohio, may have been misdated to the first century AD. Perhaps this later event was the actual cause. The Snake Mound near Chillicothe is particularly unique.

27 posted on 02/03/2022 9:07:40 AM PST by katana
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To: CharlesOConnell; Red Badger; SunkenCiv; bobbo666; katana; jpsb; bigred; All

At first I was going to say if it exploded over the US it would not affect Europe and Asia. Then I remembered Cassiodorus 536 ad.

reativehistorystories.blogspot.com/2022/01/darkness-that-was-felt-nuclear-winter.html

This article explains how Cassiodorus and other Mediterranean writers and hostorians wrote of the terrible loss of sun, and famine that occorred at 536 and 537. Initially it was thought to be a volcano in Iceland or perhaps the far east. Then in 2004 scientists reported that tree rings in Ireland indicated a possible air burst as the cause. So perhaps the scientists in this articles have found the cause of a major disaster in human history worldwide. More interesting argicles that I have not yet read at: https://www.google.com/search?q=cassiodorus%2C+approximately+536+report+on+strange+weather&rlz=1CAJCUZ_enUS847&sxsrf=APq-WBsf_jzk9XdecCfTO_P5H2v0jfvDWA%3A1643907407640&ei=Twn8YZTFJtjNytMPzLIK&ved=0ahUKEwjUqM2ogOT1AhXYpnIEHUyZAgAQ4dUDCA4&oq=cassiodorus%2C+approximately+536+report+on+strange+weather&gs_lcp=Cgdnd3Mtd2l6EAw6BwgAEEcQsANKBAhBGABKBAhGGABQwQZY5hBggjpoAXACeACAAeEJiAHyEpIBAzctMpgBAKABAcgBCMABAQ&sclient=gws-wiz


28 posted on 02/03/2022 9:24:54 AM PST by gleeaikin (,Question authority!)
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To: Red Badger; SunkenCiv

These things may be fairly common on a geologic scale.

I’m reading a book called “Is Atheism Dead” by Eric Metaxas.

One story that he tells is that scientist have found the old city of Sodom in northern Jordan above the Sea of Galilee. Its a big tell now. When scientists dug down into the tell, they found a black mat layer that dates to about 1800 BC. That black mat layer looks like every other black layer that’s indicative of some kind of cometary/asteroid strike. The next layer above the black mat layer shows that human habitation stops dead for about 700 years. Meaning, people avoided that area for a long time subsequently. Why? Well, read the bible. The area was thought to be cursed.


29 posted on 02/03/2022 9:27:01 AM PST by ckilmer
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To: CharlesOConnell

Wouldn’t other cultures have recorded a really big comet that disappeared suddenly?

Could this have been a smacking big meteor instead, like Tunguska?

Some people would have seen a brief blaze of light, but not a nightly comet.

Comet vs. meteor composition? Less ice and volatiles for the meteor?


30 posted on 02/03/2022 9:36:58 AM PST by heartwood (Someone has to play devil's advocate.)
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To: gleeaikin

Fascinating!


31 posted on 02/03/2022 9:50:24 AM PST by SuzyQue
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To: CharlesOConnell

~500 AD. The Romans would have seen it and recorded right?


32 posted on 02/03/2022 9:52:21 AM PST by Little Ray (Civilization runs on a narrow margin. What sustains it is not magic, but hard work. )
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To: gleeaikin

What a find!
Thank you for sharing it. I figured the Romans would have seen something.


33 posted on 02/03/2022 9:54:39 AM PST by Little Ray (Civilization runs on a narrow margin. What sustains it is not magic, but hard work. )
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To: Little Ray

Well, maybe not Romans proper but Byzantines (Constantinople) sure would have recorded it.


34 posted on 02/03/2022 9:59:14 AM PST by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
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To: Red Badger

Did the Acadians massacre the Accordians?

Seems that the airburst wasn’t enough to prevent the resurfacing of their wonderful instruments.


35 posted on 02/03/2022 10:21:54 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom (81 million votes...and NOT ONE "Build Back Better" hat)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

No, the Acadians actually resurrected the Accordions and made them their own................


36 posted on 02/03/2022 10:26:04 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegal aliens are put up in hotels.....................)
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To: Red Badger

Why can’t the BIPOC (Black, Indigenous, and people of color) civilizations just collapse like white European and Middle Eastern ones did?

Why does it always have to be some cosmic event or far out proposal and not just the typical accumulation of human greed, callousness and corruption that is the hall mark of human governance?


37 posted on 02/03/2022 11:06:26 AM PST by Alas Babylon! (Rush, we're missing your take on all of this!)
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To: jjotto

“...maybe not Romans proper but Byzantines (Constantinople) sure would have recorded it.” [jjoto, post 34]

Not necessarily.

Airbursts don’t always occur at the same altitude.

The burst in question may have happened at such a low altitude that its occurrence, and the aftermath, may have been below the horizon for observers in the Eastern Roman Empire.

In any event, it’s unlikely that even the best-informed civilized intellects of the Sixth Century AD could have reasoned their way to a correct interpretation of what they were seeing.


38 posted on 02/03/2022 11:06:43 AM PST by schurmann
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To: schurmann

Very good points.


39 posted on 02/03/2022 11:07:35 AM PST by jjotto ( Blessed are You LORD, who crushes enemies and subdues the wicked.)
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To: Abathar

bwaaa... my thought exactly. What gentlemen!


40 posted on 02/03/2022 12:46:58 PM PST by nicollo
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