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1 posted on 02/02/2022 3:08:11 PM PST by Az Joe
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To: Az Joe

No government bureaucracy ever willingly goes out of business, and NATO is the biggest Military Industrial Complex spawn that exists.


2 posted on 02/02/2022 3:14:12 PM PST by PGR88
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The political left and right are both supplying the same reasons to stay out of this in Ukraine:

The political left (the right in another post below):

Salon, 2/2/22: In the rapidly worsening Ukraine fiasco, the U.S. is reaping exactly what it sowed

“U.S. media spins a one-sided narrative of Russian aggression — but decades of U.S. meddling is what got us here.

what are Americans to believe about the rising tensions over Ukraine? The United States and Russia both claim their escalations are defensive, responding to threats and escalations by the other side, but the resulting spiral of escalation can only make war more likely. Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky is warning that “panic” by U.S. and Western leaders is already causing economic destabilization in Ukraine.

American allies do not all support the current U.S. policy. Germany is wisely refusing to funnel more weapons into Ukraine, in keeping with its longstanding policy of not sending weapons into conflict zones. Ralf Stegner, a senior Member of Parliament for Germany’s ruling Social Democrats, told the BBC on Jan. 25 that the Minsk-Normandy process agreed to by France, Germany, Russia and Ukraine in 2015 is still the right framework for ending the civil war.

“The Minsk Agreement hasn’t been applied by both sides,” Stegner explained, “and it just doesn’t make any sense to think that forcing up the military possibilities would make it better. Rather, I think it’s the hour of diplomacy.”

By contrast, most American politicians and corporate media have fallen in line with a one-sided narrative that paints Russia as the aggressor in Ukraine, and support sending more and more weapons to Ukrainian government forces. After decades of U.S. military disasters based on such one-sided narratives, Americans should know better by now. But what are our leaders and the corporate media not telling us this time?

The most critical events that have been airbrushed out of the West’s political narrative are the violation of agreements made by Western leaders at the end of the Cold War not to expand NATO into Eastern Europe, and the U.S.-backed coup in Ukraine in February 2014. Western mainstream media accounts date the crisis in Ukraine back to Russia’s 2014 reintegration of Crimea, and the decision by ethnic Russians in eastern Ukraine to secede from Ukraine as the Luhansk and Donetsk People’s Republics.

But these were not unprovoked actions. They were responses to the U.S.-backed coup, in which an armed mob led by the neo-Nazi Right Sector militia stormed the Ukrainian parliament, forcing elected President Viktor Yanukovych and members of his party to flee for their lives. ...”


3 posted on 02/02/2022 3:17:47 PM PST by Its All Over Except ...
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The political right:

The SUN, 1/26/22:

Neo-Nazi militias in Ukraine are preparing for all-out war with Russia as they arm themselves for the fight against Vladimir Putin’s forces.

“Telegram messages seen by The Sun Online show how the extreme far-right Azov Battalion are carrying out military-style drills and pledging to fight to the death. ...

Despite their use of neo-Nazi symbols such as the Wolfsangel and their ties to violent football hooliganism and Ukraine’s infamous “Ultras”, the Battalion was incorporated into Ukraine’s National Guards to support their fight against Russia, and today is said to still have several thousand members. ...”


4 posted on 02/02/2022 3:19:03 PM PST by Its All Over Except ...
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Pat Schroeder???

Yikes. I’ll pass.


5 posted on 02/02/2022 3:29:06 PM PST by SaxxonWoods ("If you see no reason for giving thanks, the fault lies in yourself." - Minquass)
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To: Az Joe
Interesting. Still trying to figure out why NATO troops were in Afghanistan.
7 posted on 02/02/2022 4:00:02 PM PST by McGruff (Trump/DeSantis 2024)
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