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To: Whatever Works

Sure, I agree we need to have an ideal to strive for, and not enough men nowadays strive for the right ideals. But when you say men who don’t achieve this or that aren’t “real men”, well it smacks of the kind of castrating language that feminists like to weaponize against men, and men are just plain tired of hearing that stuff. Men need encouragement from women to reach these goals, not antagonization.

Our society is very divided on basic moral fundamentals now. So there are moral men and moral women, and amoral men and amoral women. Of course there are plenty of people in the middle that might go one way or the other too. But the amoral men can get whatever they desire from the amoral women with very little effort. The men who would rather be moral aren’t given any easy rewards, they have to put in more effort to begin with, and the moral women they might hope to attract instead can sometimes set what seem to be impossibly high standards. So a lot of those men just give up and say “well I’ll just stop playing the game entirely so at least I don’t lose”. I’m not sure what the answer to that problem is, but nobody is winning in that scenario.


77 posted on 01/28/2022 12:50:07 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Boogieman

Don’t forget young women have been told their whole life that not only can they have it all, they deserve it all. And if they don’t get it all, there is hell to pay.


78 posted on 01/28/2022 1:02:38 PM PST by alternatives? (The only reason to have an army is to defend your borders.)
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To: Boogieman

I believe you misread what I wrote. I thought I’d cleared that up in my response. Nobody is perfect, no not one. But I still believe that those who strive for at least those things I listed are “real men”. I have noticed a tendency in the commentary to blame women for men’s shortfalls (if they exist), how “Adam” of those who do. We are to love as God loves us regardless of the actions or inactions of others. We are each responsible for our own choices.


79 posted on 01/28/2022 1:10:44 PM PST by Whatever Works
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