Posted on 01/26/2022 6:27:14 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
Yes - that attitude and the lack of transparency is as deadly as any quack “cures” that might get promoted. It is like the powers that be want to project an aura of infallibility, and that just creates confusion and mistrust.
The question of how the vaccines would do vs. variants was always there. I certainly recall no promises being made beyond “should have some benefit” against variants that had not even yet arisen. And for sure little expectation was reasonable for 3rd or 4th generation variants. After all, we had the example of flu vaccines and flu variants to look at, and I’ve always figured results would be in that ballpark.
Not that I think the messaging was good - it was incompetent to say the least. BUT, even here on FR an argument against the COVID vaccines is that they are not like, say, the polio vaccine, with very long term protection. On the other side, many pro-vacc individuals seemed to have a similar expectation of years of protection, but I recall NO major gov’t spokesperson (etc.), the manufacturers, etc., saying that. Nor would they. 1) We were already seeing variants pop up. 2) The only possible “predictor” (based on variant rate) would be flu, and that would be “ballpark” at best.
I personally think a lot of the over-expectation amongst the populace was just wishful thinking for COVID and all the associated crap to just go away.
Now, granted, maybe part of my “take” is the about 1/10,000th of what my Dad learned in his many years of research in the wars against plant diseases, me picking up a tiny fraction of the basics, but, I still find it almost silly that anyone would assume (or demand) a vaccine based off an existing pathogen strain / variant with the qualities of COVID could perform better over many months than, say, typical flu vaccines.
No. Not really cyclical. There are many variables that would disrupt calendar periodicity.
I just think the virus will escape mitigation. I also think the weather is a major factor, and all summers or winters are not the same. Variants are another obvious mechanism.
Mankind should have been wiped out by smallpox. It killed big %, but one of its subtle features was it sterilized male survivors. Pustules blocked sperm ducts. Easily corrected now, but not a few thousand years ago. We were lucky.
You have this dead right.
China is the data we choose to ignore. I suspected they found a difference in Asian lung cells and designed accordingly.
All of Asia was largely spared in 2020. But as variants appeared Thailand and Vietnam got hit. Hard.
But not China. Gotta be lying. If not, that is cause for serious research.
Certain viruses have the extremely beneficial (to the virus) characteristic of typically being exceedingly infectious before the victim feels significantly ill. COVID-19 is one of them. Flu is not.(!) Colds vary all over the place, with some similar in this respect to COVID. (Depending on the source, there have been either 600+ or 1000+ different cold viruses identified — lots of room for “diversity”!)
I don’t know of any other pathogen with COVID’s “total package” of characteristics. “Novel” applies to it in more ways than one. It is a very GOOD package for the present time, from the standpoint of the virus — I suppose the question is why it would not have occurred long ago, naturally. I think even my Dad would be stumped on that one. Perhaps such packages HAVE developed before, and over centuries all eventually became milder / “common colds”. Anything over 100 years ago, a “COVID-19” might well have started cutting into the reproductive portion of the human population, creating pressure to mutate milder.
In any event, in the key detail of when a spreader becomes highly infectious, COVID-19, and especially the later variants that take “highly infectious” to a whole ‘nother level, are VERY different from flu.
As in many things, “the Devil is in the details”.
How is your sense of taste and smell? For some people, taste and smell is gone for months after COVID. It might cause people to lose weight—a good thing.
Excellent post.
I’d also add as I have in other threads that a number of Asian countries, in addition to other likely advantages, have populace’ surveillance and tracking capacities far, far beyond anything the US could put into place in a few years. We might dismiss China with good reason, but, the example I like to use, South Korea, cannot be dismissed. They simply have means of slowing COVID we don’t have and (most of us, even many libs*) would never accept long enough to be successfully implemented.
*We are seeing more of that as time passes.
Some of these countries’ populations simply have a far different attitude toward disease control, not to mention either better educational efforts and / or a population willing to listen, than we do. Even my friend in Norway said “everyone follows the rules”. Sweden issued fewer mandates, but judging by results, the population mitigated better than we did, mostly on their own.
No, that's not true. If it was true, cases would probably be 2x, maybe more. (Lots of complex stuff going on with those variables* in the exponents of the spread equations.) Viral exposure levels would be even higher, likely driving up the % of severe cases, aside from the vaccines' direct reduction of serious cases.
*It IS true that behavioral variances come into play. There is clearly a group who think the vaccines allow them to throw caution to the winds, increasing the chances their resistance can be overwhelmed.
BTW, a biggie to watch is your O2 level. Do you have access to a well reviewed pulse oximeter?
Indeed, those powers (more at the public campaign end of CDC than FDA, IMO, and then many others) seemed to completely miss that once Bite Me was in, at least 1/3 of the population would from non-health issues alone be highly dubious of them, and then said powers seemed to do everything they could to worsen that.
Maybe another example of this magnitude exists, but I can think of no other country where such a high level of a “stick it...” attitude exists toward virtually anything CDC or FDA or Biden or even local health agencies would advise, even in instances where they were correct. When you have a pathogen as contagious as Delta, much less Omicron, to deal with, having 1/3 of the population in anywhere from denial to active resistance is just NOT going to work well. And that is over and above the fatigue factor that affects almost everyone in some way, with very little in the way of encouragement. (President Trump pointing out the lives saved by the vaccines is one of the few examples of solid encouragement of the public that I can find.)
The article fails to note that both those monoclonals CAN still be used if Delta is determined to be the pathogen. I would guess that while Delta is a small % of new cases, it is a higher (but declining) % of current serious cases.
I am not sure of the confidence in CLINICAL determination of Delta vs. Omicron? It has been stated on FR that Delta goes for cell receptors in the lungs, Omicron goes for them in the upper respiratory tract.
Yes, the super-sophisticated people out there won’t get it that Trump was probably the most positive, constructive communicator in all of this mess.
Its weird that Rengeneron is immediately pulled because it isn’t effective against Omicron, yet Vaccines that are not effective against Omicron are still being Mandated.
Its weird that Rengeneron is immediately pulled because it isn’t effective against Omicron, yet Vaccines that are not effective against Omicron are still being Mandated.
The devil is indeed in the details.
As posted earlier om this thread:
Worldometer data as of 26 January 2022,
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
USA -— First and WORST in overall deaths, and in dealing with the pandemic over twenty-five months
( 898,680 Covid deaths of Americans / 331,002,651 Americans ) x 100 = 0.27% of Americans “officially” Covid dead over twenty-five months.
The detail in this slice of the data picture is that twenty-five months is passed since the Drosten RT-PCR test was created in January of 2020, two months BEFORE the pandemic was even declared.
In the ensuing two years and more, the seemingly large stat of 898,680 as above is a small number in the larger scheme of things, considering the massive media “world is ending” rhetoric.
When the WHO created a new coding in April 2020 to name SARS CoV2 as a disease, the taxonomy was very broad and we know that such as other respiratory diseases were classified as Covid-19. We also know from many reports that deaths not from this “novel” respiratory disease were still classified — and therefore “data” collected — as Covid.
As to viruses, many are indeed very beneficial, as even a superficial look at the human virome attests. Covid-19 has been very “beneficial” to many, as the liability-shielded pharmaceuticals show. That the original taxonomy and reporting still generates huge anomalies suggests to me that the whole is quite a data mess.
But largest among it is the sowing of fear, lockdowns and massive economic disruption — all by governments tending away from freedom and towards authoritarianism.
Among the anomalies is the deaths per capita, widely disparate around the world. The US leads as a champion of deaths, and in many cases by a wide numerical margin. All this under our NIH, CDC, FDA, HHS and the liability-shielded pharmaceuticals.
Continuing to tally deaths into the now third year of this data collection and analysis is to feed the pandemic's negative socioeconomic and political effects.
How about tallying two years and more of any other causes of death?
Given that slightly more than one-quarter of one percent of Americans are “officially” dead of Covid-19 across over two years now says to me that this pandemic isn't what it is said to be.
Slightly more than one-quarter of one percent over two years in the US. That's what the “data” says.
See my post #42. I’d call it “usage narrowed appropriately.”
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