Posted on 01/26/2022 6:27:14 PM PST by MinorityRepublican
Nobody got anything right or wrong
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Uttar Pradesh, India, 204 million yet only 23,000 total deaths (stats courtesy of John’s Hopkins University), essentially stopped covid by bringing ivermectin right to the homes of those with symptoms.
They got it right and essentially stopped covid long ago. Just way too many of Satan’s Minions doing his bidding by pushing leftist propaganda that Ivermectin doesn’t work and the stats are made up.
You think this thing will become cyclical? Something to think about if you're older than 65, especially during the winter if this becomes a seasonal illness. We had to deal with smallpox for a long time before finally wiping it out. Makes you wonder if this is similar.
Some people get wishful out of understandable fatigue (I know I have looked at things and thought, surely it will start to get better from here). Other people try to make the world understandable by dismissing everything that does not fit in with their theories. Neither wishful thinking nor the broken-record of “everything you see and hear is a lie!” is helpful - both attitudes have probably contributed to the deaths of many thousands.
We know that the statistics for, say, the U.S.A. or France are likely to reflect reality much better than whatever China releases. Most of us know enough about the world to make reasonable distinctions like that. Some (not you) seem to think that since China’s statistics are fake that means that all statistics are lies.
Everyone is getting Covid. There is no Rosy Scenario.
Once you get Covid, you might get another variant in a year or you might not.
My vaxxed Wife got Covid, but 13 month Naturally Immune me didn’t, and she did all she could to try to give me her Covid.
The Vax’s may screw up Natural Immunity, and the vaxxed may need boosters for ever, but unvaxxed Natural immunity is real and lasting and it works. I’m proof of it.
Idle speculation here - I could very well be wrong. It would not surprise me if Covid does eventually become a nasty variation of the flu, and it gets rolled into the standard annual flu shots.
Now, I have nothing to do with the people who were congratulating themselves all 2020 and 2021, saying, “It’s just the flu, bro!” as the death tolls mounted. And I take it personally - I have known several people younger than me and seemingly healthy who died of Covid and I can’t think of anyone I knew under 70 who died from the flu (I know young people can die from the flu - that isn’t my point). As someone here stated, no country did everything right so we have muddled through with some good things and some useless or bad things.
We can do that. Problem is that the vaccine is obsolete by the time it comes out. It didn't take long for Omicron to replace Delta as the dominant variant.
I hope you don’t think I was painting a rosy picture. To me it’s pretty bleak. Maybe Omicron has peaked, but those who said it peaked two weeks ago were wrong. Maybe Omicron is less lethal, but deaths are very high (maybe combination of omicron and delta?). With a lack of testing, any decrease in the daily count could be simply the result of fewer tests being taken. These morons in the administration should never have stopped Operation Warp Speed. They never should have bet the farm on vaccines. They may help, or may have helped, but they don’t work and may not help at all with Omicron.
Anyway, hoping what I have is just flu and not the virus I guess I just need to wait. Either way, I am in isolation awaiting the results.
Correct. But it is so much more contagious than Delta and the vaccines are not holding, even though it is a milder disease compared to Delta.
Good you decided to stay at home. Even if it isn’t Covid, it is something nasty you would not want to share. Maybe a good thing that will come out of this mess is that more people will take sick time away from work and isolate themselves and employers will be more generous with offering sick leave. I remember working for one awful place back in the 1980s and pretty much the attitude was, unless you were in a coma you were expected to show up for work.
Some people know they are ill. I knew I was ill Saturday but couldn’t get in for a test. Anyway fever passed but other symptoms of what seem to be omicron type came up. Maybe it’s just a coincidence and not covid at all. I wait for the results. I don’t know whether to hope for covid or not since I feel pretty much OK except for the nasty cough and digestive issue. I think it will pass soon enough. So do I hope it is “mild covid” and now maybe have natural immunity, or do I hope it was something else?
Some don’t know they are ill. The asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic for example. This vaccine passport system is an abysmal idea, so poorly thought out. So you got jabbed you get to congregate in crowded places. Hooray! But the jab doesn’t stop the disease from spreading at all. So all the jabbed are super spreading to other jabbed. We are led by a bunch of blathering idiots.
AS for all other communicable diseases - no political or financial gain from that.
Too much money at stake and Pfizer & Moderna are not going to give up on a cash cow.
I think it's possible that superior vaccines may be in the pipeline but we'll never see it. Also, keep in mind viruses are going to virus so they shouldn't had overpromised us when we got our shots, they should had been clearer in their messaging that this is more like the annual flu shot.
There is some evidence that the vaccines are not at all effective against omicron. The theory is that the omicron spike protein in omicron is so mutated it is unrecognizable by the vaccine induced antibodies. Yes it is more contagious, and seemingly escapes vaccine immunity. It seems to be less lethal but with cases at 3x what they were with previous variants how much less lethal must it be for deaths to not rise? We are seeing a very high death rate right now and honestly, it may be lower in proportion to cases but I can’t predict it will be going down in short order. Soon I hope, but probably not very soon. Deaths will will lag cases by several weeks at least.
They were all wrong to bet the farm on vaccines and to put the kibosh on re-purposing other drugs. They didn’t even investigate them! It would have been cheap and easy to do a controlled trial in 2020 with 100,000+ cases a day to test various treatment protocols. Others call the current process the “let them die protocol” and there is some truth to that.
I can’t say with certainty these regimens would work though there is a lot of data that shows they could help a lot, especially when given early. But that’s not really the point. All these hundreds of billions of dollars we spent, and nothing spent on just some simple random controlled tests of generic drug regimens. The system is captured by special interests and politics. That is not following the science.
Now they say the antibody treatments like Regeneron’s may not even work on omicron. I don’t know and did very little research on that.
An odd assertion, if you think it is I who thinks "all statistics are lies." Rather I think that data collection and reporting tells something of the data collection and reporting.
Since worldometer, Johns Hopkins, statista and the University of Washington IMHE all agree on Chinese data, more or less and good or bad, one may still ignore the Communist Chinese as an outlier.
Here are three which all might agree are accurate and quasi-first world, and from which one may make a consistent conclusion.
Worldometer data as of 26 January 2022,
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries
USA --- First and WORST in overall deaths, and in dealing with the pandemic over twenty-five months
( 898,680 Covid deaths of Americans / 331,002,651 Americans ) x 100 = 0.27% of Americans "officially" Covid dead over twenty-five months.
Switzerland - 34th in total cases and 56th in total deaths
( 12,751 Covod deaths of Swiss / 8,654,622 Swiss ) x 100 = 0.15% of Swiss "officially" Covid dead over twenty-five months.
Japan - 30th in cases and 42nd in total deaths compared to the US
( 18,599 Covid deaths of Japanese / 126,476,461 Japanese ( x 100 = 0.015% of Japanese "officially Covid dead over the same twenty-five months.
No lies in the above as I can find, if one trusts the data and trusts the website.
Conclusion:
The US is the world's worst in terms of the pandemic response, as led by Fauci, the CDC and FDA, almost double the lethality based on the response of Switzerland, which is about half as lethal, and the Fauci-led pandemic response is enormously more lethal per capita than Japan's.
Trust the data. Trust the site.
-— :We are led by a bunch of blathering idiots. AS for all other communicable diseases - no political or financial gain from that.”
I wholly agree.
Did they do clinical peer review? Seems quick for FDA to be saying something like that before they had the chance to review all the data.
That all kind of bothers me. I do think Fauci should be replaced. The FDA has not inspired much trust or confidence - you don’t have to jump aboard the QAnon bandwagon to see some things are at best questionable. There is too much the attitude of, “Just follow what I say TODAY and don’t dare ask any questions about what I said yesterday.”
That all kind of bothers me. I do think Fauci should be replaced. The FDA has not inspired much trust or confidence - you don’t have to jump aboard the QAnon bandwagon to see some things are at best questionable. There is too much the attitude of, “Just follow what I say TODAY and don’t dare ask any questions about what I said yesterday.”
Oops, I don’t know what happened happened.
Agreed. The American public is just going to tune out.
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