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To: dynoman
They rotate. If they didn’t why pin them?

So you will properly space the end gaps in the rings and not stack them on top of each other. The end gaps need to be properly spaced apart. If they weren't, you would get a vertical ridge in the cylinder wall where no rings ever contacted.

I’ve been building engines for long time and also own an operate an engine dyno. The only rings that are pinned are in two stroke engines and that is to keep the ring ends from rotating into a port and breaking off.

That is only one reason. The other reason is to keep the end-gaps equally spaced apart for the reason I stated above. Rings don't spin around in the ring lands. I've built and re-built a host of different engine configurations for decades. Unless the rings are pinned in the ring lands, I install the rings with the gaps at 4, 8, and 12 o'clock positions. I've torn down the same engines years later and the rings never noticeably moved from when I originally installed them. The cross hatch hone pattern originally installed in the cylinder walls wears away during engine break-in when the rings seat. It does not exist to make the rings "spin" around the piston.

60 posted on 01/20/2022 1:19:48 AM PST by eastexsteve
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To: eastexsteve

Most of what you said is wrong.

“The cross hatch hone pattern originally installed in the cylinder walls wears away during engine break-in when the rings seat. It does not exist to make the rings “spin” around the piston.”

Nope, Cross hatch is visible even after 100k miles in modern engines. The cross hatch is what holds the oil in the cylinder walls.

“It does not exist to make the rings “spin” around the piston.”

Also answered in post 68. Piston ring rotation has actually been measured.
“It is clear that whatever position the rings are in during the engine build will not be maintained during service.”
https://www.highpowermedia.com/Archive/rotation-of-piston-rings

“That is only one reason.”

That is THE ONLY reason;
“The locating pin’s job is to keep the end of the ring from moving so that it does not end up in an opening or a port hole,” explains Dave Sulecki, Global Powersports Product Manager for Wiseco. “If it did that, then it would cause engine failure. Anybody who has seen a blown-up two-stroke engine knows what I’m talking about.”

“Unlike 4-strokes, 2-stroke cylinders have ports in the cylinder wall. If the ring end gap were to pass over one of these, it would allow for expansion, collision with the edges, and failure-causing damage.”
https://blog.wiseco.com/2-stroke-locating-pin


77 posted on 01/20/2022 6:49:29 AM PST by dynoman (Objectivity is the essence of intelligence. - Marilyn vos Savant)
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