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Family Fights for Ivermectin for Dying Loved One, Courts Say 'No'
PJ Media ^ | 01/16/2022 | Kevin Downey Jr.

Posted on 01/16/2022 4:30:16 PM PST by SeekAndFind

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To: gas_dr

Lawyers,Doctors and “Politians” have taken Our
Freedoms by Manufacturing a
“Virus” and the Media has
destroyed the American spirit with 24/7 Fear.
It’s no longer about the
Wuhan Flu,
it’s about CONTROL.
The Forces behind this are
Power Hungry , Malevolent
and will be more so as the
Time progresses.


101 posted on 01/16/2022 10:20:30 PM PST by Big Red Badger (Make His Paths Straight!)
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To: CJ Wolf

Is it the HCQ and metformin that interfere, or is it the zinc that one takes that the HCQ enables to enter the human cell and act against the viruses?


102 posted on 01/16/2022 10:39:10 PM PST by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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To: Pelham

I have heard that monoclonals are not effective (or as effective) against new variants, and I don’t think that is a contentious point.

I was using that to be inclusive of the approach to treating variants. I understand that monoclonals do have some effectiveness against the Delta variant.


103 posted on 01/17/2022 4:12:44 AM PST by rlmorel (Nothing can foster principles of freedom more effectively than the imposition of tyranny.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Probably one of the following, they determined the patient was infected with the newer variant against which monoclonals are said to be less effective, poor care, limited supplies, or they thought the patient was too far beyond the viral replication phase, etc.

The early administration of drugs that inhibit antiviral replication is key to survival for people who may have comorbidities.

And they key is early intervention. But, if monoclonals are not available because they are ACTIVELY suppressed, what are the options beyond “get rest, hydrate etc. Steroids? Vitamin D? Zinc? None of those are useful on their own.

Medical care is not monolithically good. Or bad. 50% of the physicians graduate in the lower half of their class.


104 posted on 01/17/2022 4:25:54 AM PST by rlmorel (Nothing can foster principles of freedom more effectively than the imposition of tyranny.)
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To: NowApproachingMidnight

He’s in the hospital with a ventilator.

I’d. be calling DeSantis’s office. Maybe he could “pardon” this man from the death sentence and jail he is being held captive in.


105 posted on 01/17/2022 4:47:52 AM PST by Baldwin77 (Democrats CANNOT win without violence and/or cheating)
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To: parmamenian

Not true. It is best if you use it early, but can still be effective later in the disease.


106 posted on 01/17/2022 4:50:12 AM PST by Baldwin77 (Democrats CANNOT win without violence and/or cheating)
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To: SeekAndFind

Flashbacks of the Terri Schiavo case in FL.
Husband wanted her dead and feeding tube removed.
Her family wanted her to live and would be responsible for finances.
Doctors and courts over-ruled the family’s wishes.
Judges ordered the feeding tube to be removed.
Governor Jeb Bush ordered the tube to be re-inserted.
Judge overturned Bush’s order. Said there was no way he could overrule the judge.

Ugly mess.


107 posted on 01/17/2022 4:55:27 AM PST by MayflowerMadam (When government fears the people, there is liberty.)
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To: gitmo

“What happened to the Right To Try law?”

I’ve asked that many times and have never gotten an answer.

L


108 posted on 01/17/2022 4:58:52 AM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: gas_dr

“Can the court insert someone onto a medical staff against the private companies will?”

A Court did it here in Illinois. It saved a man’s life.

L


109 posted on 01/17/2022 5:01:00 AM PST by Lurker (Peaceful coexistence with the Left is not possible. Stop pretending that it is.)
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To: montag813

The man is on a vent. How would you give him Ivermectin? He’s not even conscious.

They should have been giving it to him weeks ago, before the ventilator was put in.


110 posted on 01/17/2022 5:01:58 AM PST by Baldwin77 (Democrats CANNOT win without violence and/or cheating)
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To: NowApproachingMidnight

My guess Mayo won’t release the patient citing ongoing ventilation, etc. The time to address this problem was immediately upon admission BEFORE any course of treatment was applied. ASK the hospital and doctor straight-up what treatment(s) they would consider.


111 posted on 01/17/2022 5:03:22 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Rurudyne
-- Death from doctors with Trump Derangement Syndrome? --

Them and accomplices in the courts. Florida courts killed Terry Schiavo.

It's common human society that certain institutions will be used for reallyt bad outcomes. Put not your trust in a human institution.

112 posted on 01/17/2022 5:03:55 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: rlmorel

Please stop posting that ‘stuff to the thread in its entirety. You could have just as easily posted a link.


113 posted on 01/17/2022 5:07:49 AM PST by Fury
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To: Shortstop7

Hospitals have a way of keeping you there. One is IV insertions. I was in a hospital where they put (needlessly, IMO) a multi-line IV tap line down my neck directly into my aorta. Damned difficult to remove without willing staff. And, guess what’s ALWAYS last to be removed? As in after you’ve been given the Dr’s discharge okay...


114 posted on 01/17/2022 5:16:08 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: MayflowerMadam

If you read the 250+ court transcript Schiavo case is cited by the defense. This is in fact different than Schiavo on numerous factual points. It’s a very interesting read.


115 posted on 01/17/2022 5:16:27 AM PST by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: Lurker

You have received the answer in right try several times. Right to try does not equate to right to demand or receive.

If you took the time to read the entire transcript but both the federal and state right to try laws were argued and the ruling was substantially the patient cannot demand a treatment his physicians do not support in their medical judgment.

As the ruling reads the patient and family knew that Mayo was a closed staff and chose to go to Mayo. Mayo has made it clear that ivermectin is not a viable therapeutic in their judgment.

The trial judge stated it would irrevocably harm the practice of medicine by forcing unqualified physicians (in this case the petitioners expert is neither board certified nor an intensivist) on staff and granting them privileges they do not possess the requisite background for.

The record of hearing clearly demonstrates the literature is equivocal when it comes to ivermectin. As the judge ruled it is not up to him to hang up his black robe and put on a white coat.

Having read the entire transcript the petitioners physician did petitioner no favors. He came across as a underqualified hack. He had to admit he is not boars certified and that part of the transcript was ugly.

The judges ruling is largely very conservative and well reasoned.


116 posted on 01/17/2022 5:25:43 AM PST by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: gas_dr

“This is in fact different than Schiavo on numerous factual points.”

It definitely is different in many ways. I remember it well. I was just thinking of the judiciary vs the executive tug-of-war and how that played out. Very sad.


117 posted on 01/17/2022 5:28:52 AM PST by MayflowerMadam (When government fears the people, there is liberty.)
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To: MayflowerMadam

I agree with you on that.


118 posted on 01/17/2022 5:40:14 AM PST by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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To: Fury
I understand your point.

I did it on two threads for effect. And it was for a specific reason. And I think it is vitally important because people continue to die from it. I didn't post that "stuff" lightly.

I am sure you are familiar with the quote supposedly attributed to Stalin that A single death is a tragedy; a million deaths is a statistic.

There are many who are subject to this flaw in perception, including many here, and that encompasses some who treat this unbelievable lack of early treatment as a ho hum issue.

I understand it is an inconvenience, and will not list the "Stuff" (that is a proxy for real people, real lives lost, to make that point.) And I surely won't post the list of symbolic names of those 700K plus lives that have been needlessly lost, because that would make it more than an inconvenience.

119 posted on 01/17/2022 5:59:22 AM PST by rlmorel (Nothing can foster principles of freedom more effectively than the imposition of tyranny.)
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To: Big Red Badger

>>Mayo is in On It.
******************

100%


120 posted on 01/17/2022 5:59:51 AM PST by Kalamata
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