[gas_dr]

Four inmates at a northwest Arkansas jail sued the facility and its doctor Thursday after they said were unknowingly prescribed ivermectin to treat Covid-19

I have learned that when people cannot answer a simple question -- and there is a lot of verbiage, then it speaks for itself. It was a simple question -- there is a complain that patients were unknowingly prescribed a drug with off label uses. This is a fundamental violation of bioethics and medical practice. It is, how many have said about vaccination (which people had knowledge of receiving) Menglesque. I am really surprised by the vociferous defenses of -- well if they are ok (not even causation) then they should shut up and say thanks. Do you support the administration of a medication to a patient in off label capacity without their knowledge. A yes or no will suffice.

[rlmorel]

Of course not. I've worked in healthcare my whole life. That hasn't even been a question to normal principled people in healthcare where I work. I understand how non-medical people would get it wrong, because it isn't a core question for them. They have no need to be compliant apart from common sense. It is absurd that you ask it, even more so since you are trying to insinuate hypocrisy.

I am curious, what kind healthcare person are you to ask it, and what kind of healthcare people have you worked around where that could even be seriously asked of someone? Do you have debates about it with your colleagues?

You said you "have learned that when people cannot answer a simple question -- and there is a lot of verbiage, then it speaks for itself "

I have learned that whenever people set up a straw man and it gets knocked down or pointed out, their first act is almost always to prop up the straw man again, as you attempt to do by re-asking the question. That is because there is nothing behind the straw man that person sets up. When it gets knocked down, they are intellectually naked. So back up it goes.

Asking a question such as "Is it okay to give someone medication without their knowledge or approval?" is indeed a simple question, but a question that anyone with a shred of values has no more reason to expect to be asked nor answer, any more than one would answer than the question "Are you against rape and murder?"

As I see it, there is more in the asking of that question (especially as a irrelevant straw man to begin with) that illuminates the character of the questioner that there will ever be in an answer to it.