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To: gas_dr
Thank you for your response. There are incorrect statements. Do you not agree that there is FDA approval of moderns and Pfizer for the purpose of vaccination against Covid 19?
Do you further not agree that everyone who has had a vaccine had a choice in it (they chose to roll up their sleeve and receive it)?
Do you agree that there are not administrations of the vaccine by stealth?
Do you agree that the complaint is that these four people had no knowledge they were receiving ivermectin?
Do you agree that ivermectin is NOT approved for the treatment of covid and when used it is being used off label?

There are currently NO FULLY APPROVED vaccines available in the USA!

I believe the CV19 vaccine administration program in the world is a compulsive and fear oriented program. People are indeed “voluntarily” signing RELEASE of LIABILITY forms and “willingly” getting injected.

I have no knowledge of the complainants knowledge.

If a fully licensed doctor chooses to administer a drug - ANY DRUG - based upon his/her knowledge and based upon peer reviewed or other scientific data to attempt to cure a sickness then I believe your statement to be incorrect. Ivermectins effectiveness in treating CV19 is no longer a mystery. Scientific data exists on its usefulness in treating CV19 and I believe based upon that data doctors are authorized to use it in the treatment of individuals.

37 posted on 01/15/2022 6:40:39 AM PST by missnry (The truth will set you free ... and drive liberals crazy!)
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To: missnry
If a fully licensed doctor chooses to administer a drug - ANY DRUG - based upon his/her knowledge and based upon peer reviewed or other scientific data to attempt to cure a sickness then I believe your statement to be incorrect. Ivermectins effectiveness in treating CV19 is no longer a mystery. Scientific data exists on its usefulness in treating CV19 and I believe based upon that data doctors are authorized to use it in the treatment of individuals.

I am sorry I had some things to do today so just getting back to the conversation -- I am sure it is unintentional - but you are arguing for the merits of Ivermectin -- that is absolutely arguable, but you are deflecting from the fact that these patients DID NOT KNOW they were receiving it. Therefore they had no choice to exercise consent -- which is a fundamental violation of medical practice.

I agree that a fully licensed physicians such as myself and others on this board should be able to practice medicine in a reasonable way, including off label medications. HOWEVER, I CANNOT prescribe something and give it to patients without their direct knowledge. This is the issue I am raising -- many have opined that people dont have a choice with vaccines -- untrue, everyone who has been vaccinated has had is under EUA conditions or FDA approval. I know there is a lot of misdirection of people stating that there are not approved vaccines -- that is simply untrue. I am not against others prescribing Ivermectin, I think it is not correct practice, but I would not take away that choice of a physician as there is some literature to support it, there is some literature that is not supportive of it. There are a lot of politics around it. In my judgment, I do not prescribe Ivermectin because by the time I get them it is too late -- and when I have someone early enough -- I give monoconlas that are superior to Ivermectin in every way

I am hopeful and believe that Omicron will end this for once and for all -- and it looks like this is exactly what is happening.

But the direct question is, do you support the administration of this medication without consent and with the patients having no knowledge? As Ivermectin is NOT approved for CoVID, it seems this is experimentation without consent.

61 posted on 01/15/2022 2:37:39 PM PST by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will. )
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