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To: Owen

Well, we agree on hypertension at least. ;>)

Diabetes with age, based on personal observation of friends (mostly 65-80)....the ones getting diabetes are also the ones EATING like future diabetics. Lots of sugar and simple carbs, lots of highly processed foods. I can go to a church pot luck and it is OBVIOUS why soo many old people have diabetes, and it isn’t age. The number of grossly fat old folks at a church pot luck borders on terrifying.

I don’t know any reasonably lean old people who came down with diabetes.

I do realize that one can have a small tummy and become diabetic, but the vast majority of Type 2 diabetes is curable:

“Reversing Diabetes with Dr. Bhakti Paul”:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3suCjlPfkgw

“Dr William Yancy - ‘Carbohydrate Restriction for Diabetes: Clinical Trials, Experience & Guidelines’”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4cgHWggA508


I do agree that at some point we all WILL have “comorbidities”. We all die sometime. Once you’re 80, 85, 90...depending on genetics, at some point we will be able to be knocked off by a hard sneeze! But at that point, does it matter if it is flu, cold, pneumonia or COVID?

And do we try to control all the population to help delay death for the very old (who I will join, God willing, in a decade or so)? Should society as a whole fear something that bumps off someone who is about to die anyways?


57 posted on 01/09/2022 10:57:18 AM PST by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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To: Mr Rogers

I push back a bit on diabetes because it, too, has some moving goalposts.

There is a stat about the majority . . . the majority of diabetics are obese or overweight. You can find bigger numbers talking about risk factors, but that particular sentence is powerful.

Because they added overweight. Using only “obese” would not have achieved “majority”.

There is also a moving BMI definition of 30 vs 35. And with the elderly, another problem appears. A man can gain not a single pound and find a category changed from normal to overweight, or overweight to obese — via loss of height, which does happen with age.

No question, the fewer cells there are the less insulin is needed. But islet cells CAN increase output if called upon to do so, because there are more cells than normal.

Overall my peeve in the matter is this incorrect focus on comorbidities wrt covid deaths. The old die. They die all over the world, and other countries are less obese. It’s a delusional effect of youngsters wanting to imagine it’s not inevitable and that they have some semblance of control.

Generally not.

The Excess Death charts of 85+ are compelling. The virus was like a scythe through them. The #1 comorbidity is Dementia, and I’m pretty sure there is no strong obesity correlation.


62 posted on 01/09/2022 11:36:48 AM PST by Owen
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