Welcome to the new normal: 13-year-olds dying from cardiac arrest

substack.com ^ | 1/7/2022 | Steve Kirsch

[semimojo]

I presented the 'evidence' you presented (CDC statement) as evidence of no evidence.

Right, by implying the CDC (and by extension the FDA) are lying:

"CDC and you can't get away with just saying things as if they are so, when they are not."

They put the unambiguous claim right there on their official website.

There have to be hundreds if not thousands of people at the CDC and FDA involved in these reviews who would know if that claim was false.

Do you think the CDC is lying when they say they review VAERS deaths, including autopsy reports?

[Polynikes]

“School physicals were commonly required when I was a kid many decades ago.”

They better start including a cardiac MRI.

“During a study of Big 10 athletes 50% had sub clinical myocarditis. Not detectable through symptoms but a factor in sudden death”
https://www.informedchoiceaustralia.com/post/pediatric-cardiologist-talks-about-the-risk-of-myocarditis-in-children-young-adults

[sport]

Do you think the CDC is lying when they say they review VAERS deaths, including autopsy reports?

No, I don't think the CDC is lying when they say that they review the VAERS deaths , including the autopsy reports. I believe the lying comes in when they publish the results to the public. I believe that they lie like a shag carpet and have the results fit their narrative. I do not believe that they have been honest with the public one time since this crap began.

[bagster]

Right, by implying the CDC (and by extension the FDA) are lying:

I don't think I implied it. I think I shouted it to the mountain tops.

They put the unambiguous claim right there on their official website.

Still not evidence, and you know this.

There have to be hundreds if not thousands of people at the CDC and FDA involved in these reviews who would know if that claim was false.

Good. Then you (and they) should have no problem coming up with a number of autopsies they 'reviewed' and the results.

Do you think the CDC is lying when they say they review VAERS deaths, including autopsy reports?

I guess your listener is busted. I don't think it. I know it.

Do you think the CDC is telling the truth about reviewing autopsies (that don't exist)?

[bagster]

I believe the lying comes in when they publish the results to the public.

Maybe you can help the liberal troll formerly known as Mojo. He's having a hard time producing evidence. Where are these published reports on the results of their autopsy reviews. I'll even settle for a number.

[semimojo]

They put the unambiguous claim right there on their official website.

Still not evidence, and you know this.

You don't understand the nature of evidence.

By your reasoning I could present any document, any study or any testimony and you could simply say "everyone's lying and they're all in on it" and thereby eliminate the evidence.

Luckily, there are rational people still around who can weigh the quality of evidence provided and draw conclusions.

On the one hand we have thousands of American career public health professionals who are making a seemingly good faith effort to monitor the vaccines, and who don't have any good reason to lie that I know of, and on the other we have someone on an internet forum saying thousands at the FDA and CDC have gotten together and are intentionally lying to the American people about the dangers of the vaccines.

Why? Well, that part's a little murky, as are most things when you start drilling down on these conspiracy theories.

You're obviously free to believe what you want, but all evidence is not of equal value, nor are all beliefs.

[sport]

I don’t where where the published are. Don’t care to know. I know they lie, so why bother. I did early on on here[free Republic.com] run across one from the Palm Beach County Medical examiner concerning a woman [RN] who her husband said she died of Covid after working long hours and not being furnished with proper equipment. I think he blamed President Trump. A assistant with the Medical Examiner’s Office published the autopsy on her stating the COD was kidney failure. I printed it out thinking someone might be interested. No one was. Where it is now, I don’t know. But I do know that now everyone who has died except George Floyd and Amuad Abrey has died of Covid 19. And I know that the CDC lies like a rug. So really, who cares what they say. They can now tell the truth and no one will believe them. There are those who worship Government anyway, they will believe them. But no one else will.

[bagster]

You don't understand the nature of evidence.

No, I do. Evidence = Proof.

A general statement that something is being done is not proof of that something being done.

Evidence Why? Well, that part's a little murky, as are most things when you start drilling down on these conspiracy theories.= Proof.

Now you're being a little honest. You have looked for motive for the 'anti-vaxxers' and found none. Perhaps our motive is simply to find the truth and stop the evil they are doing.

By your reasoning I could present any document, any study or any testimony and you could simply say "everyone's lying and they're all in on it" and thereby eliminate the evidence.

You 'could present any document, any study, or any testimony'? Let's put your theory to the test. Present ANY evidence (proof) that CDC reviews autopsies for reported vaccine deaths, and see what I do (I think you would have done that by now if there was any).

Keeping in mind that them SAYING they do is not evidence (proof) that they do.

Multiple choice:

and who don't have any good reason to lie

a.) You seriously haven't been paying attention.

b.) You don't understand the nature of man or this world.

c.) You are in thrall to the derp state masters and are doing their gaslighting for them.

d.) All of the above.

I choose D.

[David Chase]

“ Pro tip: Both you gaylords’ stances are wrong. Bruce Lee is ashamed of you.”
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It was a video, I was bustin’ a move. Like I be gittin’ attacked by all directions.

You do realize I practically hand you the come backs on a platter.

[bagster]

It was a video, I was bustin’ a move. Like I be gittin’ attacked by all directions.

Well, your stances were all wrong no matter what the circumstqance. I can tell you're not a fighter. Have you ever even been in a fight?

You do realize I practically hand you the come backs on a platter.

You do make it easy, with all the stupid sh*t you say. I use you for a warmup for the smart vaxtards.

[semimojo]

You don't understand the nature of evidence.

No, I do. Evidence = Proof.

QED

[bagster]

QED

A man who would lie about the meaning of evidence, is a man who would lie about anything. But I already knew that about you, troll Mojo.

Anyway, gimme some EVIDENCE that CDC has reviewed (non-existent) autopsies for reported vax deaths. If you get that far, I'll take EVIDENCE of the results of those (non-existent) reviews.

I'm a patient man. I can wait.

[semimojo]

...gimme some EVIDENCE that CDC has reviewed (non-existent) autopsies for reported vax deaths...

I might feel the slightest pressure to repost the definitive evidence the CDC reviews autopsy reports - their own official statement - if there was a single person on this site who still thinks you ask for things in good faith (if they ever did).

As it is, I'll get back to you on that, Angus.

[bagster]

I might feel the slightest pressure to repost the definitive evidence the CDC reviews autopsy reports - their own official statement - if there was a single person on this site who still thinks you ask for things in good faith (if they ever did).

You are a mad man. That's not definitive evidence, and you know it. How many times do I have to tell you, it's a statement and one which requires evidence.

Stop being a stupit troll if you can for just a minute.

[David Chase]

“ Well, your stances were all wrong no matter what the circumstqance. I can tell you’re not a fighter. Have you ever even been in a fight?”
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LMAO!!
You have no idea.

Yeah, you’re right. Never been in a fight.

Just had a habit of having spontaneous injuries.
Broken nose.
Cracked ribs.
Broken leg.
Cracked and loose teeth.
2 broken fingers.

I sparred for Kronk.
I got the crap beat out of me by Golden Gloves competitors.
Trainers would tell me their weakness and what to focus on and I tried to exploit it.

Later I realized I wanted something more controlled, something that was more of an art form. Body art. Taekwondo was my true calling. Sure do miss those years.

My youngest daughter followed somewhat in my footsteps.
She earn her Black Belt in American Freestyle, then earned another in Kempo.
I used to spar with her until the years went by and she got real good and advanced and we did t have enough padded protective gear for me! LOL

Now that I know it bugs you…..I’ll do a slow and steady release of pics with more Dear Diary moments. 😆🤣😂🤪

[bagster]

So why don't you know how to stand, sensei? That's basic stuff. Like day one.

[semimojo]

That's not definitive evidence, and you know it.

Claim: The VAERS deaths are reviewed by the CDC.

Anti vaxer: "you have no evidence that's true!!!"

Query: CDC, do you review VAERS deaths?

Answer from CDC: "Of course, here's an official statement where we confirm that we review all deaths and look at autopsy reports".

Anti vaxer: "That's not evidence they review deaths!!!

Rational people: "Dude, what are you talking about?

And you wonder why you're a laughing stock (or should).

[Political Junkie Too]

Reporting in the current issue of Pediatrics, Drs. John R. Lane and Giora Ben-Shachar describe nine healthy adolescents (eight boys and one girl), ages 12 to 20 years, who developed severe chest pains and met the criteria for a diagnosis of heart attack.

Is there any fact about these cardiac arrests in teens that is missing that would cause you to consider other causes if present, or will all sudden cardiac deaths in teens be "rare," no matter the conditions?

Since you're linking stories, here is one from June 2021 about eight boys admitted to the same San Diego hospital for heart pain after receiving the vaccine: Eight chest pain cases among adolescent boys detected after COVID vaccination in San Diego.

In this case, it was a cluster. Is that enough? I'd like to know what to be on the lookout for in the news.

-PJ

[David Chase]

“ So why don’t you know how to stand, sensei? That’s basic stuff. Like day one.”
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Sometimes you need to be shaken.

It was a video, I was moving. I took screen shots of the frames with the least blur.

Sensei? Not a teacher but a never ending student.

[David Chase]

“ Claim: The VAERS deaths are reviewed by the CDC.

Anti vaxer: “you have no evidence that’s true!!!”

Query: CDC, do you review VAERS deaths?

Answer from CDC: “Of course, here’s an official statement where we confirm that we review all deaths and look at autopsy reports”.

Anti vaxer: “That’s not evidence they review deaths!!!”
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Then add the kicker to the whole thing, they go ahead and quote VAERS stats (with the added claim that it’s only 1% of reported cases but don’t ask them to prove that) and post the numbers.

On one hand, VAERS is nothing more than a lying arm of the CDC.
On the other hand, they use VAERS for their data.

It’s a Schizophrenic Love Affair.