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To: DiogenesLamp
"What should I say about them?"

You really don't see the 1619 problem here? What’s eminently actionable is that here is a man born into slavery and hating his country.

He reads the constitution. He reads how it was built. He reads its history from original sources. He realizes he obtained bad information at best, and at worst someone lied to him. The reality is that the Founding Fathers were great - tremendous even, for black Americans, and Douglass is ready to state these things.

He, as a former slave, becomes one of the best defenders of the so-called slaving Constitution and specifically is a defender of the so-called racist Founding Fathers.

This is a huge challenge for the 1619 Project as well as CRT. I want someone to tell me i’m wrong on this basis of 1619/CTR, _especially_ if quoting actual passages from the speech. (Both 1619 and CRT rely on Douglass as a pillar of their claims)

46 posted on 01/05/2022 8:21:56 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica (A man's rights rest in 3 boxes. The ballot box, jury box and the cartridge box.- Frederick Douglass)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
This is a huge challenge for the 1619 Project as well as CRT. I want someone to tell me i’m wrong on this basis of 1619/CTR, _especially_ if quoting actual passages from the speech. (Both 1619 and CRT rely on Douglass as a pillar of their claims)

"If."

As the Spartan king said. "If".

If you cannot get this message out through mass communications, it is not a challenge at all to these liars.

I used to think that the truth was a powerful weapon to stop evil people. It's certainly good to have the truth on your side, but that by itself is often not enough.

What you need as much as the truth is a way to convey the truth to others, and simply talking about it on an internet forum will produce very little in the way of progress.

If you could command ABC, or CBS, or NBC, or CNN, or FOXNews, or Google, or Facebook, you might have a chance to make your argument that Frederick Douglas refutes CRT and the narrative of the 1619 project.

But you don't, so you can only hold a victory party in a small little tea room or something.

You can't make any actual progress with this argument. You can preach to the small choir around here, but nothing in the way of a larger impact.

Yes, Frederick Douglas (Also Booker T Washington) and others refute the assertions of CRT and the 1619 project.

Yah! We won! (In our tiny little pond.)

48 posted on 01/05/2022 10:59:42 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: ProgressingAmerica; DiogenesLamp
You really don't see the 1619 problem here?

There has always been a 1619 problem with the 1619 project.

The first slaves were not imported to the Americas in 1619 at Jamestown, but rather in the prior century in 1526 by the Spanish in what is now Florida/Georgia.

An historical miss by a century is a problem with revisionist history.

49 posted on 01/05/2022 12:15:08 PM PST by woodpusher
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