Posted on 01/01/2022 9:38:38 PM PST by Paul R.
What do FReepers think of 9mm carbines as a mid-power varmint rifle? My requirements are relatively cheap ammo, typical range is < 100 yards (usually 50 yards or less, really), only moderate penetration, with stopping power similar to a .357 handgun / somewhere between a .22lr hollow point and a 12 ga. deer slug. More...
If your rifle will handle 5.56, the 55 grain FMJ bullets (M193) do not over penetrate at ranges under ~ 100 yards. At higher velocities the bullets will tumble when they encounter a medium with water-like density. The bullet breaks into fragments, creates devastating wounds, and frequently does not even exit. .223 is loaded to lower pressures, with lower velocities, and can over penetrate. At longer ranges the 5.56 does not tumble in flesh and can over penetrate.
Kyle demonstrated this quite clearly for us. None of his hits over penetrated, even when he hit that one guy in the right bicep. The bullet fragmented and destroyed the entire muscle. If it had gone straight through there would not have been nearly that much damage.
Do not use the lower velocity M855 round (63 grain). This round is both lower velocity and has a steel penetrator which will lead to the over penetration you want to avoid.
I’m in and out of the truck constantly so i carry long barreled pistols in either a cross draw or a shoulder holster. I’m right handed so it points towards the door and is fairly comfortable. I’ve a 10 1/2 inch 44 that’s just a pain to carry no matter how you do it.
That is one of the considerations: Availability of ammunition. 9mm is almost as ubiquitous as 22lr.
I have heard it posted on these kinds of threads multiple times. Choose your ammo first, then buy a rifle and a handgun in that same ammo.
You know how there are screw-in silencers? Is there such a thing as a screw-in barrel extender?
You could carry your 7inch longbarrel handgun everywhere, and the screw-in extender in a separate place perhaps strapped to your leg. Best of both worlds, if it works.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpqxKYmHRm0
Build an AR-9. Cheaper than you think.
My observations based on 500 rounds bulk ammo. Prices are .,... ish,
9 mm - .32 per round
.38 special - .37 per round
.357 mag - .60 per round
So right now, 9 mm is cheaper brand new. Prices shift +/- 10% on a regular basis and often there are wild swings in price.
Also, I reload and find .38 and or .357 magnum cases easier to obtain and reload from my range. Yes there is a larger volume of 9 mm but a lot of the brass is NOT reload capable.
(torn necking, bent, etc)
Full disclosure, 9 is my general carry gun. .357 is my going to bad part of town gun. Trying to talk the wife into a .357 lever gun :-)
9mm carbine is a good choice. Definitely more power out of a 16” barrel. Suggestion: Have a mag of +P hollow points for varmints. Definitely ups the punch and range. Yes, 100 yards.
Can’t beat the fun and cheap ammo for practice.
High Point a good choice. Get one, try it, sell it if you hate it. You won’t. $300ish, fun!
If someone shot my dog for any reason other that the dog attacked them personally for no reason, they better be concerned about the kind of weapons I posses than the kind that they have. And, more importantly, the kind of lawyers I retain. If my dog got out and killed a few chickens, bring the dog back to home. I’ll apologize and cut a check for replacing the lost birds to make things right - and make sure the dog stays under control in the future. Can understand if this were a dog that was chronically raiding live stock and the owner refused to control his animal, but shooting a dog that somehow got loose for the first time and did some damage as a one time thing is beyond the pale.
This is hilarious! We have here a poster who asserts that with a rifle I need no practice, and you who assert I need so much I can’t switch to a different primary medium power rifle and be cost conscious with the ammo. I guess firearms are only for the well heeled, huh?
Neither is correct, and the truth (at least in my case) is “in between”.
In my state, if the dog is on my property and has harmed my animals, it is toast. Doubly so if it is trying to return later. Same if the dog is on my property and displays aggression toward any person. This dog was damned several times over.
I have talked to the owner. I had left note, demanded compensation, she called me today, and we agreed on a bit under half. It should at least cover the direct costs of raising the chicks to adulthood.
Yes, extremely good point (would apply to a marauding coyote or dog at night too, even if at modest range): After test firing it at night I backed the .357 revolver down to sort of “last resort” at night for that very reason.
See my post 112.
Quite reasonable, and admitted the dog was hard to control. Also see my post 112.
Thanks. It’s what I expected, just hadn’t followed closely recently.
Have loved my Highpoint 9mm since 1999...
It gets along very well with its older big brothers...
I'm merely offering a modest suggestion that you have your ducks in a row legally for any situation you might expect. I wouldn't want you to be surprised by anything.
Was NOT first time dog got out, 5th that I know of, and I’m away often. We just happened to be sleeping this time, so did not intercept in time. Dog had been aggressive toward me on previous occasions (would retreat if confronted aggressively with a club of some sort - but no way to know this time if dog has just tasted live blood / thinks it is defending its kill.) Owner admitted to me today dog was over-energetic & hard to control, needed training. (Working type dogs need lots of “work” / free activity; this one except if it got loose was always penned up, owner not around. In some sense not the dog’s fault, but that is no more relevant than a druggie’s excuse that he has to rob to support his / her habit.)
Ok, thanks. But had checked long ago, 1st time such a problem arose.
The sad thing about this society is that if I checked every such possible situation that might come up, that’s all I’d accomplish.
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