[Steve_Seattle]

I went to the linked site and had a couple of observations: setting aside safety considerations about the vaccines themselves, they seem to provide a reduction (percentage-wise) in serious outcomes. HOWEVER, when you look at total hospitalizations, the vaccinated comprise a majority (54%) of the cases (4,385 vs 3,693).

This seems completely at odds with the claim that we are experiencing "a pandemic of the unvaccinated" in which virtually all hospitalizations and deaths are of the vaccinated. Either the UK is experiencing a completely different situation, or we are being lied to.

The worst outcome - death - is even more skewed towards the vaccinated (2,144 vs 782), but of course this needs to be viewed in the context of the greater number of people vaccinated and the fact that the most vulnerable people are more likely to be vaccinated.

[Steve_Seattle]

"This seems completely at odds with the claim that we are experiencing "a pandemic of the unvaccinated" in which virtually all hospitalizations and deaths are of the vaccinated."

Correction: "This seems completely at odds with the claim that we are experiencing "a pandemic of the unvaccinated" in which virtually all hospitalizations and deaths are of the UNvaccinated."

[BeauBo]

“When you look at total hospitalizations, the vaccinated comprise a majority (54%) of the cases (4,385 vs 3,693)”

More than 54% of the population there is vaccinated, and much more of the older population, who account for more of the hospitalized. There is also the issue of “for” or “with” COVID, where some number of hospitalizations for other reasons (like traffic accidents) happen to test positive for COVID.

Many, many studies have controlled for such known variables, and have consistently demonstrated protective vaccine effects.

[SeekAndFind]

RE: HOWEVER, when you look at total hospitalizations, the vaccinated comprise a majority (54%) of the cases (4,385 vs 3,693).

But, but, but... given that there are MORE vaccinated folks than unvaxxed in our population, the PERCENTAGE of vaxxed folks who are hospitalized are STILL LOWER than the percentage of UNVAXXED who are hospitalized.

The one other factor we should look at are the average ages of those taking the vaccine vs. The average ages of those unvaxxed.

I think the average age of the vaxxed population is much higher than the average age of unvaxxed, which makes the vaxxed more susceptible to being hospitalized.

Be that as it may, the entire assumption behind mandating vaccines to avoid transmission and hospitalization is based on probabilities, not certainty. It doesn’t sound like good policy to me.