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To: chuckles
Dec 25th comes from the supposed BD of Tammuz, the supposed son of Nimrod, the originator of the Babylonian religion.

Complete Hislopian nonsense. The Babylonians had their own calendar, and knew nothing of any month of "December". (Incidentally, per Josephus, the Jewish civil calendar at the time of the conquest was derived from the Babylonian calendar.)

The Roman church stopped observation of the Leviticus Feast Days in 325 AD at the Council of Nicaea along with changing the 4th Commandment to observe Sunday and ditch the Sabbath.

Gentile Christians never observed Jewish feasts in any great numbers, because they read and understood the Pauline epistles, which you evidently do not.

Nicaea had nothing to do with worshipping on Sunday, either, which was well established by that time. Even SDA scholars now admit that Sunday worship long predated Nicaea.

They then observed Tammuz's BD and feast of Ishtar became Easter.

Nicaea conducted business in Greek, not English, a language which wouldn't exist for another thousand years. They fixed the date for the holy day commemorating the Resurrection of Christ. They called that holiday PASCHA. Does that sound anything like "Ishtar" to you? It shouln't, because it had nothing to do with her.

I'm sorry you believe such ahistorical made-up garbage, but that's what it is.

35 posted on 12/25/2021 7:40:55 AM PST by Campion (What part of "shall not be infringed" don't they understand?)
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To: Campion
They then observed Tammuz's BD and feast of Ishtar became Easter.

“Nicaea conducted business in Greek, not English, a language which wouldn't exist for another thousand years. They fixed the date for the holy day commemorating the Resurrection of Christ. They called that holiday PASCHA. Does that sound anything like "Ishtar" to you? It shouln't, because it had nothing to do with her”.

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LOL! Exactly. This is the one that always makes me roll my eyes because it is a polemic that only sounds good in the English speaking world because that’s the only place it’s called “Easter” (taken from the Old English word for the month of April). Almost every place else—including ROME— it’s called Pascha or some variation of it.

38 posted on 12/25/2021 10:17:52 AM PST by fidelis (Ecce Crucem Domini! Fugite partes adversae! Vicit Leo de tribu Juda, Radix David! Alleluia! )
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To: Campion
Paul, in Colosians 2:16-18, told believers to ignore Pagans clinging to their pagan holidays and new moons and sabbaths because the Leviticus 23 days are about Christ. Which of those days are Easter and Christmas? Easter and Passover NEVER are observed n the same day. Easter is NEVER on First Fruits either. There is NO scripture pointing to Christians observing Sunday worship or Christmas or Easter. All The Apostles worshiped on the 7th day Sabbath.

Just a simple reading of the Council of Nicaea shows they decided then and there to ditch Biblical days and observe pagan days. Here is a direct quote:

We also send you the good news of the settlement concerning the holy pasch, namely that in answer to your prayers this question also has been resolved. All the brethren in the East who have hitherto followed the Jewish practice will henceforth observe the custom of the Romans and of yourselves and of all of us who from ancient times have kept Easter together with you.

In actuality, they forbid Bible believers from worshiping God's Feast days called for in Leviticus 23 and substituting their own made up days. They were antisemitic. Socrates wrote that up until this time the Christian church observed the 7th Day Sabbath everywhere except Rome and Alexandria. The take over of the Christian church by Constantine in Rome forced Christians to ditch the teaching of the Bible for made up dogma from Rome or suffer death.

Worship of Babylonian gods was not new in Scriptures. Read Ezekiel 8 and see the abominations in the Temple. God was unhappy with the Tammuz worshipers and then God describes a Sunrise service as an an abomination.

As Paul was the Apostle to the Gentiles, his quest was to get ex pagans to follow the Bible. They hung on to their old superstitions and drug them into the church. As a Bible believing Christian you should understand where myths and superstitions come from and follow the teachings of God in the Bible.

Just as an example.....

Jer 10:2 Thus says the Lord: "Do not learn the way of the Gentiles; Do not be dismayed at the signs of heaven, For the Gentiles are dismayed at them.

Jer 10:3 For the customs of the peoples are futile; For one cuts a tree from the forest, The work of the hands of the workman, with the ax.

Jer 10:4 They decorate it with silver and gold; They fasten it with nails and hammers So that it will not topple.

Jer 10:5 They are upright, like a palm tree, And they cannot speak; They must be carried, Because they cannot go by themselves. Do not be afraid of them, For they cannot do evil, Nor can they do any good."

When you study the Bible very long, you start to see that pagans worshiped under trees and worshiped trees. Jewish kings were admonished to destroy these worship trees "in high places" and in valleys. A "high place" was a place of worship for a pagan and they would have "Totem" like poles carved to worship.

I frankly don't know what a "SDA scholar" is, but you can probably find anyone to say anything anywhere. I go by the Bible as what to rely on. It's always fascinating to me to find people that read a verse they don't like and start quoting some "scholar" from the 12th century. All I know is God told us 100 times that the 7th day Sabbath was His blessed day and thought it important enough to put it as the 4th Commandment in the Decalogue. Since Jesus is the only Mediator between God and man, no man can change Scripture. I'll continue to rely on Scripture. There is no "Christmas" and no "Easter", but if you chose to observe the birthday of Jesus why not observe it on the day He came to live with us in human form?( Jesus has no beginning and no end) He was named Immanuel because He came to Tabernacle with His people. Tabernacles will always refer to the time God lives with His people. If you wish to observe His death, observe Passover. His resurrection? First Fruits. God has provided the days in Leviticus 23 that he will perform Biblical events. Random made up days have no Biblical meaning. Rapture will happen on some Feast of Trumpets in the future. Many Christians say it could happen any day, but we need to be watching for this day. We watch for His coming in Elul when the King is in the field, and be ready for Trumpets to go with him. Trumpets is the Day Jews know as no one Knows the Day or the hour, just as an American knows "Turkey Day" is Thanksgiving.

The reason the Sabbath is so important is to tell God's people that Jesus will return to rule and reign for 1000 years on or around 5999-6000 on the Biblical calendar. The Antichrist will change the Laws and calendar to confuse the church.(Daniel 7:25) Don't follow a man's teaching to avoid catastrophe.

Joh 5:43 I have come in My Father's name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive.

Stay with Scripture as Jesus is the Word and is telling you the Truth. "If you love Me, do my Commandments." Did Jesus tell you to worship on the Sabbath or the first day of the week? There is no Christmas or Easter in Scripture. They are made up men's days.

54 posted on 12/27/2021 10:24:58 AM PST by chuckles
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