Posted on 12/23/2021 11:24:21 PM PST by zeestephen
Pfizer and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration last week failed to directly address questions by two media outlets about whether Pfizer's Comirnaty vaccine is available in the U.S. [This is the core legal issue concerning government and employer vaccine mandates.]
(Excerpt) Read more at childrenshealthdefense.org ...
Skywise wrote: “This is a giant red flag.”
Anything from Childrens Health Defense is a huge red flag. Kennedy jr. is one of the more prolific anti-vaxxers. He’s been proved wrong multiple times but he continues to spread false and misleading information.
Read later.
Thanks for the link and quote. Learning that Cormirnaty’s manufacturer is also protected from legal liability convinces me that my waiting for its deployment before accepting an injecting, post clinical trial, is now a moot point.
Without product liability for any sort of product, I steer clear from such a product. In this, I am sure we disagree.
“Fact checkers” are saying the EUA jab and Comirnaty are actually the same thing, it’s just that they are using up old inventory that doesn’t have the new label.
If the explanation is so simple, why isn’t Pfizer saying it?
You correctly emphasize “fact checkers” with quotes, but cite them nonetheless, either minimizing or ignoring the total propaganda they espouse.
They don’t say it because, legally, they cannot say it.
As stated by others, glaring red flag and, pointedly, evidence I and other FReepers were right all along.
This is where Pfizer's legal scheme gets complicated.
The USA is currently under a National Health Emergency.
According to the Emergency rules, no drug or device combating the Emergency is liable while the Emergency is in force.
The Emergency has been extended several times. The rules do not explicitly say that FDA approved drugs cannot be sued, but the language also does not say they can be sued.
Several court cases, in regard to mandatory vaccination, have been brought claiming that the current situation in the USA does not meet the standards of a Health Emergency.
LOL...
Says DugwayDuke, who quotes fact checkers from the Washington Post?
That would be very important.
You might want to re-read the article.
It states:
“ At present, Pfizer does not plan to produce any product with these new NDCs (National Drug Code) and labels over the next few months while EUA authorized product is still available and being made available for U.S. distribution. As such, the CDC, AMA (American Medical Association), and drug compendia may not publish these new codes until Pfizer has determined when the product will be produced with the BLA labels.””
Read the first sentence.
The talking point has been that they are using up the existing EUA version. I even had a conversation with a co-worker where he asked if I expected them to throw out the the EUA stuff. But according to the quote I pasted, they AREN’T EVEN MAKING Comirnaty yet. That doesn’t square with the claim that they are simply using up existing stock. They should have immediately began producing Comirnaty, even if they shipped out the EUA version until they exhausted supplies.
Everyone needs to pay closer attention to what is being said, and contemplate their words before defending them, and poo-pooing people who are more observant. Vax-shills are everywhere.
BlueMondaySkipper wrote: “But according to the quote I pasted, they AREN’T EVEN MAKING Comirnaty yet. That doesn’t square with the claim that they are simply using up existing stock. They should have immediately began producing Comirnaty, even if they shipped out the EUA version until they exhausted supplies.”
Please explain why should they began immediately making Comirnaty if they have sufficient stocks of the Pfizer product on hand o meet demand? These products are interchangeable and identical. There is no reason to throw out existing supplies.
And:
“Everyone needs to pay closer attention to what is being said, and contemplate their words before defending them, and poo-pooing people who are more observant. Vax-shills are everywhere.”
Yes, you do need to pay more attention. Interchangeable and identical. There is no difference other than the label. And, yes, the anti-vaxxer shills are everywhere spreading false and misleading information.
zeestephen wrote: “Says DugwayDuke, who quotes fact checkers from the Washington Post?”
Do you deny that Childrens Health Defense and Kennedy jr. have been proven wrong multiple times?
“Children’s Health Defense is an American activist group mainly known for anti-vaccine activities and has been identified as one of the main sources of misinformation on vaccines”
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Health_Defense
“There is no difference other than the label. ”
Bullshit. They even say there are distinct legal differences. Sorry shill, you lose. A Federal judge recently ruled as much, that they are NOT interchangeable. But you shills want to avoid that. You also ignore that they aren’t even making any Comirnaty. Are their labels back ordered or something?
Take what you want like the good little lamb you are.
One more thing, as I missed it in my other response exposing you as a shill.
You said:
“ Please explain why should they began immediately making Comirnaty if they have sufficient stocks of the Pfizer product on hand o meet demand? These products are interchangeable and identical. There is no reason to throw out existing supplies.”
Are you really that dumb? They are manufacturing the vax daily. The son of a friend even works on a production line so I know this is fact. If they intended on actually selling Comirnaty, and they were exactly the same, sans the label, they would have immediately started labeling the new batches as Comirnaty. But they didn’t. We’re not talking about throwing the existing away, we’re talking about a single label change going forward, but they haven’t done that.
Dullards are fooled, but thinkers ask why. The approval came almost 6 months ago, yet they are still making only the EUA version. That makes zero sense, but I do admit, it doesn’t fit the shill narrative, so you are either to dense to grasp it, or try to ignore it.
Again, why would they continue producing the EUA version rather than the FDA approved version? Do you blindly accept whatever you are told without question? No intellectual curiosity at all?
I suspect you DO know, but are shilling anyway. It might even be your job.
Why would any serious Conservative allow those two publications to settle a Right-Left political argument?
Perhaps a double dose of common sense can cure that illness?
If the Pfizer vaccine is actually FDA approved, why would any rational health care consumer choose to get the experimental Moderna or J&J vaccines instead of the FDA approved Comirnaty?
Yet, every day, tens of thousands of Americans do exactly that.
Or, if you were a health care business owner or a medical clinic executive, why would you even allow the experimental Moderna and J&J vaccines in your building, why would you even allow consumers to choose?
You would not, of course, because you can be absolutely certain that dozens of American lawyers would sue you for ANY injury caused by Moderna and J&J - regardless of the law.
The Health Emergency law has never been legally tested on this issue before, which means that no rational business owner or executive would take the risk.
If Comirnaty labeled vaccine is actually being distributed in the USA, consumers and businesses are sure not behaving like they believe it.
Good catch.
Did you click on "View key details about which vaccine you should get?"
The CDC throws J&J vaccine under the bus.
They list seven categories by age, vaccine, and months between shots.
They do not recommend J&J for ANY category!
zeestephen wrote: “Duke, first you toss Washington Post fact checkers at me, and now Wikipedia fact checkers? “Why would any serious Conservative allow those two publications to settle a Right-Left political argument?”
We’re talking facts here, not political opinions.
zeestephen wrote: “You would not, of course, because you can be absolutely certain that dozens of American lawyers would sue you for ANY injury caused by Moderna and J&J - regardless of the law.”
It would be fruitless to sue because of the law.
BlueMondaySkipper wrote: “Are you really that dumb? They are manufacturing the vax daily. The son of a friend even works on a production line so I know this is fact. If they intended on actually selling Comirnaty, and they were exactly the same, sans the label, they would have immediately started labeling the new batches as Comirnaty.”
They are the same product. Why would they throw out labels? The lot numbers on the labels already identify whether it was produced under the EUA or the full approval.
BlueMondaySkipper wrote: “Dullards are fooled, but thinkers ask why. The approval came almost 6 months ago, yet they are still making only the EUA version. That makes zero sense, but I do admit, it doesn’t fit the shill narrative, so you are either to dense to grasp it, or try to ignore it.”
Have you ever run a production line?
BTW, what you’re calling the ‘EUA version’ and the Fully Approved version are the same product.
This is only confusing to those who want to believe that there is a difference in the products and are relying upon this difference to justify taking the vaccine.
You need to re-read my post and digest the Health Emergency statutes.
Repeating...
No issue like this has ever occurred or been litigated in the past.
In addition, several courts are currently litigating the fact that no Health Emergency currently exists, thus, the liability exemption for Comirnaty, and possibly Moderna and J&J, are void.
In addition, if people become ill because of Moderna or J&J vaccines, they will sue the clinics for not clearly explaining that a completely safe FDA approved vaccine was also available.
zeestephen wrote: “In addition, several courts are currently litigating the fact that no Health Emergency currently exists, thus, the liability exemption for Comirnaty, and possibly Moderna and J&J, are void.”
That’s more wishful thinking on your part rather than a likely possibility. You’ll have a difficult time convincing a court that more than 800,000 deaths in the US alone does not constitute a “Health Emergency”.
Is the nucleoside sequence the same?
Is uracil swapped for a modified nucleoside analog? What is this analog?
The secrecy and subterfuge are troubling.
If Pfizer gets it’s way this will all be revealed in 2075. Nothing being hidden here? - yeah right.
The fda reported “same formulation” not identical.
They did assure everyone that they were interchangeable though. I guess we should just trust them on that - since they are hiding so much of the information from FIOA inquiries.
Right!
Not!!!!!
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