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To: ransomnote
YOu're just flat out denying reality so that CDC records available to the public in VAERS for review actually don't exist or are the product of conspiracy theories?

As you well know I've never denied those reports. What I deny is these reports necessarily being associated with the Covid vaccines.

Accidental deaths following Covid vaccination have been reported to VAERS. Would you say those deaths are associated with the vaccines?

Every year about 250+ million unvaccinated people have flu vaccines.

Your numbers are too high but even so, you reinforce my point.

After 170 million doses of flu vaccine don't you think there were tens of thousands of adverse medical events among that population? They weren't reported to VAERS.

The difference is the flu vaccines are routine and long known to be safe so people don't associate bad events with the flu shot. Not the case with Covid.

In 2021 business is booming in mortuaries and church funerals.

Is it disproportionately the vaccinated who are dying, after correcting for demographics?

So far, Steve Kirsch's team has identified 150,000 deaths as a result of the Covid 'vaccines' (45K unreported deaths in the Medicare database)

45K deaths in the Medicare database attributed to Covid vaccines? Citation, please.

All school children are vaccinated.

Not every year. Most get vaccinated once for each disease, plus as I've said those same vaccines have been administered for generations. People are much less likely to associate events following a Tdap to the vaccine than events following a Covid vaccination. Partly because of the volume of misinformation that's been pushed out about the Covid vaccines.

What's new and novel is the unprecedented levels of human rights abuses, Constitutional Rights violates, and Communist Regime tactics to force people to get a toxic 'vaccine' they don't need.

OK, but that's politics. I'm talking about health data.

HEre you are, carrying water for Fauci and others who want us dead.

Right. They want us dead.

Drama Queen much?

Self reported? So you're saying blind people use VAERs to type in their personal tragedy?

I said self reported - which could include a loved one physically entering the data - or mandatory for healthcare providers. Don't misrepresent.

VAERS is a safety signal meant to stop what's happening...

Close. It's a safety signal meant to help identify significant risks from the vaccines and to your great consternation it hasn't as of yet.

At least not to the professionals who know what it represents and have the resources to investigate bad outcomes.

...the safety signal would cause the halting of the program until all safety concerns were thoroughly addressed.

And it will. Your problem is simply that you disagree with the public health professionals.

And frankly, given the dishonest nature of much of what you post I'd go with them over theexpose.uk, for instance.

With 1200 deaths during the Pfizer trial, there was always rock solid evidence to show that Covid 'vaccines' were more deadly than anything else in VAERS.

First of all, there were exactly 6 deaths in the Pfizer trial.

"Two BNT162b2 recipients died (one from arteriosclerosis, one from cardiac arrest), as did four placebo recipients (two from unknown causes, one from hemorrhagic stroke, and one from myocardial infarction). No deaths were considered by the investigators to be related to the vaccine or placebo."

Second, clinical trials don't use VAERS.

The 1200 number you quote comes from collecting all adverse event reports from the first (almost) three months after the vaccine was rolled out.

Like all of these AE reports not all these deaths were attributed to the vaccine!. In fact, none of them were!

Old, sick people, who were the first to get the vaccine, die fairly frequently. I can't tell from the documents I saw how many doses were administered during that period but I'd expect it was millions. What makes you think 1200 reported deaths over 3 months is unusually high for that population?

The Safety Signal is functioning but the CDC has created a 'safety algorithm' which mathemeticians have proven is impossible to cross.

As I've said, I'm not a believer in large conspiracies.

119 posted on 12/20/2021 2:21:15 PM PST by semimojo
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To: semimojo
said, "there were exactly 6 deaths in the Pfizer trial"
Then you post a report from late 2020.

Ignoring the update
1. The Pfizer vaccine increases All-Cause Mortality, resulting in 6 extra deaths for every 1 life saved from Covid-19 (and also raises the risk of cardiovascular or immunodeficiency related death), and is therefore NOT safe or effective, or
2. The Pfizer study yielded mortality data that was too small in size and did not yield significant results; therefore we CANNOT conclude the Pfizer vaccine is safe or effective.

Pfizer selected participants for the trial who were 6.75 times less likely to die overall as compared to the background average based on US mortality statistics.

https://vaersanalysis.info/2021/11/18/but-the-pfizer-trial-showed-that-the-vaccine-is-safe-and-effective-right/
121 posted on 12/20/2021 4:12:27 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric Cartman voice* 'I love you, guys')
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To: semimojo
Ah, wasting more of my time with your stupid contortions again. I'm just supposed to keep circling back every time you lie or dilute with irrelevence?

You distort the safety signal that VAERS has been blaring from the start by implying 10K deaths when a few hundred are normal for the quantity makes perfect sense - "nothing to see here." It's not. Compared with all other vaccines, the Covid 'vaccine' is protected from all accountability no matter how many people it maims and kills.

You're pretending doctors/nurses/staff aren't being punished for reporting to VAERS and insisting that people are OVER Reporting Covid compared with the past. Right. At a time they could lose their jobs, offices, be stripped of their hospital rights, have disciplinary action taking against them you're just going to look right into the camera and say, "nothing to see here, move along!"

Years of Influenza post vax deaths compared with one year of Covid deaths. You see NOTHING! NOTHING AT ALL!

Mortality (openvaers.com)

ransomnote said: What's new and novel is the unprecedented levels of human rights abuses, Constitutional Rights violates, and Communist Regime tactics to force people to get a toxic 'vaccine' they don't need.

semimojo: OK, but that's politics. I'm talking about health data.

You're pretending that Covid is not politicized and politics is not influencing Covid policy, doctors,nurses and their willingness to report to VAERS. Given the CDC/Fauci head the effort to punish those who report to VAERS, I think it's safe to assume they don't check to see if anyone is reporting anything, nor do they punish those who don't know what VAERS is or that their supposed to report to it.

ransomnote: Here you are, carrying water for Fauci and others who want us dead.

semimojo: Right. They want us dead.

Drama Queen much?

China Virus, Wuhan Fauci, China gave us the supposed genome for the 'vaccines', we don't need a vax lockdowns or masks, it's a violation of our Constitutional Rights and the Nuremberg code. When you start connecting the dots, you'll realize that this isn't health policy and the CDC/FAUCI chose lethal treatments for the mandatory Covid Protocol (Remdesivir, MIdazolam, intubation) for a reason, one that you eagerly serve. You do know. YOu're just here to mislead people into toxic injections.

semimojo: It's a safety signal meant to help identify significant risks from the vaccines and to your great consternation it hasn't as of yet.

ransomnote: False. It was identified publicly, on pubic record as having numerous signficant risks. To date, that evidence has not been refuted.

At the FDA ACIP advisory meeting, Steve Kirsch and his team laid down statistics and documented proof the FDA's team could not refute. Let that sink in. At the conclusion of the meeting, thoroughly unable to refute data with which they were confronted, they declined to recommend a booster. 

Off record, in private, Walensky reversed the decision - that's what happens when our enemies have towers from which to send forth damaging edicts. 

Steve Kirsch and his team have the data and have offered a million dollars in compensation for anyone from the FDA/CDC/Fauci etc. to debate his team but since his team has the facts - the traitors in our government hide in their towers. 

ransomnote: ...the safety signal would cause the halting of the program until all safety concerns were thoroughly addressed.

And it will. Your problem is simply that you disagree with the public health professionals.

semimojo. Your problem is simply that you disagree with the public health professionals.

False.  You're pretending not to know that the CDC created a safety threshold that is mathmatically impossible to cross. Like the CDC in Fauci, you strategically ignore all the evidence and then prevaricate with gusto.

ransomnote: With 1200 deaths during the Pfizer trial, there was always rock solid evidence to show that Covid 'vaccines' were more deadly than anything else in VAERS.

semimojo: First of all, there were exactly 6 deaths in the Pfizer trial.

"Two BNT162b2 recipients died (one from arteriosclerosis, one from cardiac arrest), as did four placebo recipients (two from unknown causes, one from hemorrhagic stroke, and one from myocardial infarction). No deaths were considered by the investigators to be related to the vaccine or placebo."

False. They simply ignored the data, like you do and like the CDC does, the FDA does, the NIH does. You people just pretend you don't know. Pfizer didn't count most of the people who became ill because their invalid PCR test didn't confirm Covid, even though the people were sick. No doubt those unfortunate 1200 were uncounted. CERTAINLY investigators are not going to admit harm related to the vaccine because they have a bio war to conduct, and because the government is liable for the harm the 'vaccine' causes, and Fauci/NIH have a stake in the success of the product.

semimojo: Old, sick people, who were the first to get the vaccine, die fairly frequently. I can't tell from the documents I saw how many doses were administered during that period but I'd expect it was millions. What makes you think 1200 reported deaths over 3 months is unusually high for that population?

The old 'circle of life' argument didn't hold up under analysis. A PHD Statistician demonstrated why that argument doesn't explain the deaths. Your kind all ignore that and go back to pushing the 'narrative'.

ransomnote: The Safety Signal is functioning but the CDC has created a 'safety algorithm' which mathemeticians have proven is impossible to cross.

semimojo: As I've said, I'm not a believer in large conspiracies.

Check out the article posted to FR. INdependent mathmeticians demonstrate, so that others can test it for themselves, that the algorithm the CDC establish a safety threshold can not be crossed.

There is no safety review board. Normally when VAERS cases are reviwed, it's done by a panel announced by name in advance and would have taken months. The CDC just stated one day it had already happened, declined to name the panelists and said they were FDA doctors, except those doctors are not qualified to perform reviews of drug/treatment like those. All standard processes are rubberstamped or ignore, just like evidence, for Covid biowarfare agents known as "vaccines."

The reason you all 'don't know' so much, can't remember it, never saw it, was because you're a)lying and b) too lazy to put much into it. You just 'didn't see it'. It just 'doesn't exist'.

124 posted on 12/20/2021 7:34:19 PM PST by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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