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1 posted on 12/16/2021 1:36:13 PM PST by RandFan
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I have actually heard better outcomes from J & J people
Is this just string arming for Pfizer to get more $$$$?


2 posted on 12/16/2021 1:40:52 PM PST by madison10
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They now ADMIT J&J is the clot shot

I bet there are more clots with Pfizer and Moderna.

3 posted on 12/16/2021 1:41:20 PM PST by FreeReign
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J&J just got kicked out of the Cool Kids Club and something tells me they’re not going to be happy about it. Watch for “planned” leaks and “Whistleblowers” etc. Gonna get ugly.


5 posted on 12/16/2021 1:43:26 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature (The kernel of our firm's job is to go with lots. - tnlibertarian job offer letter)
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6 posted on 12/16/2021 1:45:10 PM PST by TigersEye (Ray Epps didn't kill himself.)
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The politicians, the media, the medical industry and the “experts” here should all rot in hell.

Ain’t one of them worth a bucket of goat phlegm!


7 posted on 12/16/2021 1:45:43 PM PST by Roccus (First we beat the Nazis........Then we defeated the Soviets........Now, we are them.)
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It’s a competition...

https://media.128ducks.com/file_store/83ababdc10eeb144b6db3057d684187b5e96ad86ee02494b76fc2ac4adf57f4f.pdf

Is this part of what we’re not suppose to see for 55 years?


9 posted on 12/16/2021 1:46:02 PM PST by EasySt (Say not this is the truth, but so it seems to me to be, as I see this thing I think I see.#KAG )
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My sister is not available for comment as blood clots in her legs, lungs, and blood vessels supplying blood to her heart caused her death. J&J, no history of blood clot disorders in our family medical history on any sides.

The other clot $hot$ have clots and other issues.
Seems A$tra-Zen and J&J win the “tossed under the bus” award.


12 posted on 12/16/2021 1:48:46 PM PST by JCL3 (As Richard Feynman might have said, this is reality taking precedence over public relations.)
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“Rare, but serious side effects”. That has a ring to it, kind of like “mostly peaceful protesters.


13 posted on 12/16/2021 1:50:53 PM PST by The_Media_never_lie ( )
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J&J is the Spirit Airlines of vaccines.


14 posted on 12/16/2021 1:51:10 PM PST by cornfedcowboy ( )
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Oh no, not the dreaded ‘THEY’, not those guys, not again!!!


16 posted on 12/16/2021 1:52:52 PM PST by Augie
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...rare but serious blood clot side effect

So just let this sink in. They have known, or long suspected the blood clot issue, it is why they quickly developed a anti-clot drug for children who get the Fauci jab, and yet they continued -- continued -- to say nothing and allowed people to get the death shot.

And supposedly I'm the conspiracy theorist that is vax hesitant? They knowingly killed people.

18 posted on 12/16/2021 1:53:51 PM PST by Obadiah (Fauci is the golden calf of science.)
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https://www.uptodate.com/contents/covid-19-vaccine-induced-immune-thrombotic-thrombocytopenia-vitt/print

AZ does it, too...


19 posted on 12/16/2021 1:54:05 PM PST by mewzilla (Those aren't masks. They're muzzles. )
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Good gosh....another flip flop, by these so called ‘experts’. $CIENCE.

First, they said it was the safest, of these hazardous $hots, now, it’s the worst clot-$hot.

More and more truth is being leaked, about these $hots, daily.

Prayers up, for all who’ve been forced to take these, to keep their jobs/livelihoods.


20 posted on 12/16/2021 1:54:42 PM PST by Jane Long (What we were told was a “conspiracy theory” in 2020 is now fact. 🙏🏻 Ps 33:12 )
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Okay, I’m getting old so maybe I’m missing something. But I could find no mention at the link of who those “US health advisers” are. Are they recognized leaders in their field? Or are they just a couple of guys in a basement somewhere?


22 posted on 12/16/2021 1:56:24 PM PST by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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did they say “harder daddy” tooo???


25 posted on 12/16/2021 1:59:51 PM PST by Chode (there is no fall back position, there's no rally point, there is no LZ... we're on our own. #FJB)
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J&J was already under fire for the baby powder lawsuits (claims that talc causes cancer) so they could not afford to line the pockets of those making the decisions.

They were given a year to pony up and did not.

So they are out of consideration for the continuing wave of “boosters”.


27 posted on 12/16/2021 2:01:22 PM PST by fruser1
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The J&J vax is NOT based on mRNA, that’s why the CDC has treated like the proverbial “red headed stepchild” since it was available.


29 posted on 12/16/2021 2:02:41 PM PST by SecondAmendment (This just proves my latest theory ... LEFTISTS RUIN EVERYTHING !!!)
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CDC panel recommends Pfizer or Moderna vaccines over Johnson & Johnson shot
By The Associated PressUpdated December 16, 2021, 1 hour ago

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/12/16/nation/us-health-advisers-recommend-pfizer-or-moderna-covid-19-vaccines-over-jj/

Most Americans should be given the Pfizer or Moderna vaccines instead of the Johnson & Johnson shot that can cause rare but serious blood clots, U.S. health advisers recommended Thursday.

The strange clotting problem has caused nine confirmed deaths after J&J vaccinations — while the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines don’t come with that risk and also appear to be more effective, advisers to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said.

It’s an unusual move and the CDC’s director, Dr. Rochelle Walensky, must decide whether to accept the panel’s advice.

Until now the U.S. has treated all three COVID-19 vaccines available to Americans as an equal choice, since large studies found they all offered strong protection and early supplies were limited. J&J’s vaccine initially was welcomed as a single-dose option that could be especially important for hard-to-reach groups like homeless people who might not get the needed second dose of the Pfizer or Moderna options.

But the CDC’s advisers said Thursday that it was time to recognize a lot has changed since vaccines began rolling out a year ago. More than 200 million Americans are considered fully vaccinated, including about 16 million who got the J&J shot.

This is a breaking news update. A previous version is below.

A government advisory panel is meeting Thursday to determine if any restrictions are needed for the Johnson & Johnson COVID-19 vaccine because of rare but serious blood clots.

A strange clotting problem prompted the U.S. to temporarily halt the single-dose J&J shots last April while scientists investigated. Eventually regulators decided the benefits of a one-and-done vaccine outweighed what was considered a very rare risk — as long as recipients were warned.

While it’s still rare, the Food and Drug Administration told health care providers this week that more cases have occurred since the spring. They occur most in women between 30 and 49 — about once for every 100,000 doses administered, the FDA said.

Overall, the government has confirmed 54 clot cases in both women and men, and nine deaths that included two men, Dr. Isaac See of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said Thursday. He said two additional deaths are suspected.

The CDC decides how vaccines should be used in the U.S., and its influential advisory committee is deliberating whether the newest safety data warrants any new limits on J&J’s vaccine.

More than 200 million Americans are fully vaccinated, about 16 million of them with the J&J vaccine. The other two vaccines used in the U.S. — from Pfizer and Moderna — are made differently and regulators say they don’t come with this clot risk. And unlike in the spring when vaccine supplies were tight, Pfizer and Moderna shots now are plentiful in the U.S.

COVID-19 itself can cause potentially deadly blood clots. But the suspect culprit for the vaccine-related kind is a rogue immune response linked to both the J&J shot and a COVID-19 vaccine made by AstraZeneca. Both of those vaccines are made similarly, using a cold virus known as an adenovirus, although AstraZeneca’s shot is not used in the U.S.

The FDA this week warned that another dose of the J&J vaccine shouldn’t be given to anyone who developed a clot following either a J&J or AstraZeneca shot.

At issue is a weird kind of blood clot that forms in unusual places, such as veins that drain blood from the brain, and in patients who also develop abnormally low levels of the platelets that form clots. Symptoms of the unusual clots, dubbed “thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome,” include severe headaches a week or two after the J&J vaccination — not right away — as well as abdominal pain and nausea.

Several other countries already have recommended age restrictions for both the AstraZeneca and J&J vaccines, or that preference be given to the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines.

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The Associated Press Health and Science Department receives support from the Howard Hughes Medical Institute’s Department of Science Education. The AP is solely responsible for all content.


34 posted on 12/16/2021 2:08:18 PM PST by Jane Long (What we were told was a “conspiracy theory” in 2020 is now fact. 🙏🏻 Ps 33:12 )
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37 posted on 12/16/2021 2:09:50 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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Also reported that J&J is little help against Omicron and that is not all that effective against other variants after 3 months. Now clots. The political/medical establishment doesn’t own much stock in J&J.


38 posted on 12/16/2021 2:13:58 PM PST by Captain Compassion (I'm just sayin')
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